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St. Louis Should Be Rams’ Permanent Home, Plain and Simple

Upon Rams owner Stan Kroenke purchasing a plot of land in Inglewood, Calif., from his family that in theory could be used as an NFL stadium site, a gentleman by the name of Arash Markazi wrote a nice piece at ESPNLA.com about the idea of the Rams returning to the City of Angels. I’m sure for some people out there, the idea does sound great. And, much like we do with the football Cardinals, people like to reminisce about great childhood memories spent with the sports franchise of their youth.

Markazi writes,“While many in St. Louis might cringe at the thought, the truth is the Rams belong in Southern California. It was their home for nearly 50 years, and if things play out right, they may finally be coming back to the City of Angels next year after taking a 20-year hiatus in the Gateway City.”

I wonder what makes anyone think the Rams “belong” is Los Angeles? The fact is, the Rams were born in Cleveland and spent their first eight seasons there. Like the Colts in Baltimore, the Browns in Cleveland (who became the Ravens), the Oilers in Houston (who became the Titans) or the Cardinals in St. Louis, the Rams are a franchise owned not by a city, but by an owner. If we’re going to talk about a franchise belonging to a community, then by that logic the Lakers belong in Minneapolis, the Dodgers belong in Brooklyn, and the Clippers belong in Buffalo. In fact, if we are to think teams belong in communities simply because they spent time there, Los Angeles should have the Angels, the Kings and the Ducks – the only three franchises there now that started there. The Lakers, Clippers and Dodgers all came from communities that had called someplace else home before relocating.  The only franchise in American sports that belongs to its community is the Green Bay Packers, where the city owns the team. And that type of ownership isn’t allowed anymore; the Packers’ ownership setup was grandfathered into the NFL bylaws. Unfortunately, teams belong where their owner wants them.  And public and fan support of said franchises will keep them in towns.

Markazi goes on to write, “I’m normally against any and all relocation, but this isn’t exactly like the San Diego Chargers, Minnesota Vikings or any other NFL team that has been rumored to be looking at a move to Los Angeles over the years. This is the Rams. And when I think of the Rams, I think of Eric Dickerson, Jack Youngblood, Jackie Slater, Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen, Norm Van Brocklin, Bob Waterfield, Elroy ‘Crazy Legs’ Hirsch, Les Richter and Tom Fears.”

Let’s start with Dickerson, who recently said to TMZ, “First of all, L.A. don’t deserve a team. They ain’t gonna support it.” And he explained why, saying, “L.A. is like a bad kid. His ball is laying over there, he don’t wanna play with the ball. But when somebody else picks the ball up, then he wants the ball.” The Hall of Famer, who lives in Southern California, went on to say, “When the Lakers are winning, it’s crowded. But when the Lakers are losing, you could roll a stick of dynamite in there and blow up nothing but the floor.” So that’s what he thinks of L.A. fans.

There’s no doubt that the Rams had great players in L.A., but when people think of the St. Louis Rams, they think of Super Bowl champions Marshall Faulk, Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Orlando Pace, Mike Jones, Kevin Carter and Grant Wistrom. The L.A. Rams that the author mentioned are all great memories, not unlike Houston fans  reminiscing about Earl Campbell and Dan Pastorini; Baltimore fans who remember Johnny Unitas, Jim Parker and Lenny Moore; or those of us here in St. Louis who long for the days of Jim Hart, Terry Metcalf and Dan Dierdorf with the Big Red.

But that’s people like me. I’m 51. Any football fans who’s 25 years old or younger in our society has two memories of the Rams: that they provided the Greatest Show on Turf in the early 2000s, and that they’ve been terrible since 2003. The audience the NFL is trying to grab right now has no idea that the Rams played in Los Angeles, except when they see old clips of Dickerson or Youngblood. To think that the Rams would be any more or less of a draw in Los Angeles than any other franchise, existing or expansion, is ridiculous.

Another point Markazi makes is that “as much as St. Louis has tried to accept and adopt the Rams’ history prior to 1995, when they left Los Angeles, it’s like the Oklahoma City Thunder trying to embrace the Seattle Supersonics’ past as their own. It’s one of the biggest complaints I’ve heard from former Los Angeles Rams players over the years – besides, of course, the fact that their old team is no longer where it should be.” Markazi quotes Youngblood as saying, “We are their legacy, but they forgot us. They don’t have anything to do with us, really. I find that unfortunate because you look at other franchises, even those that have moved, and they use their alumni in their marketing and in their organization. They use their Hall of Famers as an example for the players who are there today. They use their alumni, but the Rams have cut us out of the picture.  I’ve been invited back twice since they moved to St. Louis, and once I invited myself back.”

Two points there, the first being that the Thunder were the SuperSonics. They changed their name, as the Rams and every franchise that moved should have when they did. And it’s not the fault of St. Louis people, or Los Angeles players, that the franchise moved. Fact is, most St. Louis fans don’t love the fact that the Rams try to honor the L.A. Rams history. This is a St. Louis franchise. Its history started in 1995. Most fans couldn’t care less if the L.A. Rams in the ring of honor are there or not. That’s not out of disrespect. It’s that those guys were rivals that beat the Cardinals in the 1975 playoffs. We don’t need them. We have our own history. For those old enough to remember, we recall Youngblood beating our team with an interception return in the playoffs.

Secondly, the L.A. players may complain (and, by the way, Youngblood seems to be honored on the sideline every year during a Rams home game), but the fact of the matter is that when we look up in the rafters of the Edward Jones Dome, we see that their Super Bowl championship was won in St. Louis, that their NFC Championship of 2001 was won in St. Louis, and that the retired numbers 28 of Marshall Faulk and the 80 of Isaac Bruce are for players who played in St. Louis. If the dying-off players from the L.A. Rams are upset, wouldn’t the same apply for the younger members of the St. Louis Rams if the team were to relocate? With all due respect, what difference does it make now to Jones, Olsen, Van Brocklin, Waterfield, Hirsch, Richter and Fears where the Rams play? If we’re going to be upset about how players feel, shouldn’t we be more concerned about players who are actually alive and have feelings?

Another note about Markazi’s piece. He writes, “One of the biggest problems with the NFL being gone from Los Angeles for the past two decades is the generational gap it has left with the city’s sports fans. Anyone born after 1988 or so has no recollection of an NFL team in L.A.

“It is a generational gap that can’t be properly repaired with an expansion team or an established team with no ties to Los Angeles being relocated here.  Fortunately, there are local history lessons to be shared. There are fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers who can tell younger generations what it was like going to Los Angeles Rams games. The seeds for a loyal Rams fan base in Los Angeles were planted 70 years ago.”

Having lived in a town that has had two franchises, and having kids who only know the St. Louis Rams, I can assure Mr. Markazi that whatever franchise Los Angeles gets, it won’t be a problem getting kids to connect. If the team succeeds, it won’t matter one iota where the team came from or if it even existed before. Kids will gravitate to the here and now. They want their own team, and it doesn’t matter where it came from. If St. Louis had gotten the Cardinals back, or the Rams came to St. Louis, young people were going to become fans of their team – regardless of what team their grandpa liked.

Markazi writes, “While in Los Angeles, the Rams broke the color barrier in the NFL before the 1946 season – a year before it happened in Major League Baseball – when they signed running backs Kenny Washington and Woody Strode, who were Jackie Robinson’s teammates at UCLA.” Oh, like while in Brooklyn, the Dodgers broke the MLB color barrier when they signed Robinson? Are we advocating a Dodger return to that bustling borough of New York now?

As Markazi summarizes, “The blame for most team relocations lies with the owner and the facility it plays in, not with the city and the fans who supported them. That was certainly the case in Los Angeles.” Perhaps Markazi isn’t old enough to remember, but Los Angeles was given multiple opportunities to fix its stadium situation before the Rams and Raiders left, but wouldn’t. They were given an expansion franchise in March of 1999, but didn’t show the desire to build a facility then, either, and that franchise was instead awarded to Houston and became the Texans. As far as the fans, as has been noted here and elsewhere, the Rams didn’t draw when they were winning in the 80s, and even when they were winning, some of the few fans brought a banner with them every week that read “Georgia (Frontiere, the late Rams owner), sell the team.”

I do agree that the blame for most franchise relocations aren’t the fault of fans, but in this case the reasons the Rams left L.A. in the first place were that the city didn’t show any desire to build a facility, and fans didn’t show up to watch a winning team. The Rams sold out every single game they played in St. Louis from 1995 until an 0-8 start in 2007. The fan base continues to show up despite recently witnessing the worst five-year stretch in the history of the NFL, a stretch in which the team won seven home games in five years.

The Rams belong in St. Louis, where Kroenke’s main business, THF Realty, is headquartered. They belong in the state where Kroenke grew up and started his first business, the Columbia-based Kroenke Group. They belong in St. Louis, where they’ve had their greatest success and forged the best part of their history. They belong in St. Louis, where they drew more fans for the final game of a 2-14 season that concluded that 15-65 run (55,990) than the Rams drew for their home finale, their 10th win in the playoff season of 1989 in Los Angeles (53,063). Ultimately, if we’re going to say that a franchise belongs in place because of history, fan loyalty, concern about alumni and kids having emotional ties to the franchise, that place for the Rams is clearly St. Louis.

About Randy Karraker

Randy Karraker co-hosts The Fast Lane, weekdays from 2pm-6pm on 101ESPN. He also hosts much of 101ESPN’s special coverage during Rams season. Randy has more than two decades of experience in St. Louis sports radio broadcasting.
  • Mike24

    “Let’s start with Dickerson, who recently said to TMZ…”

    Recently? More like in 2009. In 2011, he stated, again to TMZ the Rams should move back to LA. Try some context.

    • Ryan Marshall

      Still trying to figure out how that negates the comment that he made earlier…

      • Gerald Reynolds

        You are? Really? I guess some people need extra help.

        • Ryan Marshall

          I can explain it to you, Gerald, but I can’t understand it for you…

          • Gerald Reynolds

            You do not understand the significance of presenting a more up to date quote from a person as opposed to something they said 5 years earlier? I feel sorry for you.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Eric Dickers on Twitter on Jan 30th. Eric Dickerson ‏@EricDickerson Jan 30

            If the @STLouisRams return to Los Angeles, that would be something special. There needs to #NFL in LA and if the Rams came back, WOW!

      • Mike24

        Uh……he changed his mind? He realized he was wrong?

        Oh but wait….you must be one of those people that everything you have ever said or thought never changes. Yep you are from Missouri.

  • Tony Hernandez III

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I smelled the desperation oozing off this article all the way in California! Do all of you just ride the coat tails of articles written on the West Coast on this subject? No positive news coming out of the Lou to write about so you spend your time refuting every little thing written coming out of LA and the rest of the country for that matter. Very professional. LOL. Try some originality, in other words, DO SOME WORK!!! BTW, only STL agrees with you, the rest of the country wants the Rams HOME in LA.

    Oh, E.D. sends his best from sunny Southern California. LMAO!

  • Randy Karraker

    So, Tony, what you’re saying is that you don’t like facts? If you point out a factual error in the piece, I’ll be glad to change it. I was actually responding to a piece that was opinion-based a devoid of facts, and was pointing out what the facts are. By the way, I don’t think you’ll find a single factual error in my piece. Good luck on getting a franchise, too. There are some Los Angelinos who deserve one, and you clearly are passionate. Thanks for logging on to 101Sports.com, the website of ST. LOUIS’ Sports station, 101 ESPN.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      Your contention that the Rams belong in St Louis because they won a Super Bowl there is hilarious! How many losing years did they have in comparison? And if you want to be factual Randy, why don’t you use more recent statements by Eric Dickerson then something from 2009?

      • Randy Karraker

        Gerald. Thanks for agreeing with the point that a team that is supported in one place despite it having ten straight losing seasons should, logically, not return to the place where it wasn’t supported despite going to the playoffs seven times in a decade. And I’m dealing in facts. E.D. said it. Just because the economy crashed in 2009 doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, that it isn’t a fact any more. From m-w.com

        fact

        noun ˈfakt

        : something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence

        • Gerald Reynolds

          Fact is they are not supported in St Louis or are you ignoring the facts that St Louis was close to last in league attendance in 2012 and 2013?

          • Randy Karraker

            I agree with that, although the Rams admit the difficulty in digging out from 15-65 and a decade and a half of not marketing the team. When it has been .500 or better in STL, they’ve sold out every game. Once again, 55,000 in St. Louis for the last game of a 2-14 season. No excuses. Sounds like LA is coming up with some. Obstructed view? Really? The 49er fans that showed up in LA bought the tickets.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Anaheim
            stadium

            1980 Home avg
            62,550, League avg 56,665,

            1981 Home avg
            60,503, League avg 57,667,

            1982 Home avg
            51,690, League avg 52,527,

            1984 Home avg
            54,455, League avg 55,528

            1985 Home avg
            56,242, League avg 55,408

            1986 Home avg
            59,285, League avg 56,872

            1987 Home avg
            47,356, League avg 48,639 (Strike year)

            1988 Home avg
            54,469, League avg 56,727

            1989 Home avg
            58,846, League avg 57,257

            1990 Home avg
            59,920, League avg 59,665

            1991 they had a bad
            year and slipped to 51,586

            in 92, 93 and 94
            they had horrible years and in 93 and 94
            people already knew the Rams

            were moving as it
            was in the news everyday.

            Coliseum

            In 1969 thru 1974
            they averaged 71 to 75 thousand in home attendance at the Coliseum.

            1975 to 1979 they avg 52 to 65 thousand in
            home attedance.

            http://www.losangelesrams.org/about/statistics/attendance.html

          • Randy Karraker

            1983: 9-7, 4 games with less than 50,000 fans; 1984: 10-6, Dickerson runs for 2,105 yards, 4 games with less than 50,000 fans; 1985: 11-5 Division champs, 2 games with less than 50,000 fans, 2 more with less than 53,000; 1986, 2 with less than 53,000; 1988, 10-6 with 4 games of less than 50,000. I sense some romantic, mythical belief that the team was supported passionately like the Steelers, Packers or Giants out there. But the fact is, even in the #2 market with winning teams, it didn’t consistently sell out. I hope we can agree on that.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Randy, look at those attendance figures 1980 thru 1990. They were right around the league average for those years. Again, I know it doesn’t fit your agenda here but again Anaheim stadium was not a great viewing stadium for football. But you do not know that because you were not there. I was. You also ignore that the Raiders were in town from 1982 until 1995. So there was another outlet for fans to view games. Keep in mind that the Rams alienated many of their fans in the San Fernando Valley and the South Bay by moving to Anaheim and then the Raiders came in and took their place in the Coliseum. So the fanbase was split. Again look at the numbers from the Coliseum years and you will see they were much better. Also keep in mind that many fans did not care for Georgia as an owner. I think with Kroenke being a different owner you would see the same effect in fans attending that the Dodgers have seen since they have new ownership.

          • Scott

            All your numbers are proving is LA was providing average level NFL support with like 4 times the market size. I have to ask what would be the point of investing a lot of money and essentially having the same level of fan support? Not to mention it would make the owner look like a jerk for hurting his home.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            What the numbers show is the Rams were getting as good as support as most any team in the league in those years and the move was not justified. Also I will point out to you as I did to Randy that when the Rams played in the Coliseum in the 1970s they were getting over 71,000 fans in attendance for home games for several years. Again, we had two pro football teams from 1982 through 1995 and the fans who were located in the San Fernando Valley and the LA and South bay area started attending Raider games at the Coliseum because 1. they were upset the Rams moved to Anaheim. 2. The Coliseum was closer to where they lived. Point being? Point being is if the Raiders had not been in LA at the time the numbers in Anaheim may have been even better. When the Rams were the only team in town up until 1982 and in the Coliseum, they had great attendance numbers. Again 71,000 and up some years for home games.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Oh really and tell what is happening at the EJD when teams like the 49ers, Bears, Packers, Steelers, Seahawks come into town? You and I both know those games became home games for the visiting team.

          • Ryan Marshall

            Randy just OWNED you. Quit talking…

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Nobody owned me Ryan, his argument doesn’t make any sense. Why don’t you take off your rose colored glasses and start paying attention to the facts? Randy wants to cherry pick one game from 1984 and I showed him at least five Rams home games from that year that had terrific attendance numbers. Plus Randy chooses to ignore attendance figures from the Rams years in the Coliseum and he ignores that in 1984 there was another professional football team in town just 30 minutes up the freeway playing in the Rams old home the Coliseum. Many LA based fans in the San Fernando Valley and LA proper didn’t like the move to Orange County and felt alienated by it.

  • Randy Karraker

    Gerald, thanks for logging on to this St. Louis website. I know you L.A. fans need an NFL fix, too…and this is as good a spot as any in the country to get info about your favorite team. You may want to take a look at the Rams media guide at StLouisRams.com , and see that the team wasn’t supported at all while winning in the 80′s. Those people that comprised the crowds that you speak of are now dead. And clearly, there is no desire on the part of government to build a stadium there. And there was no desire on the part of the populous of Inglewood to even allow a Wal-Mart to be built. A stadium? Please.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      Anaheim Stadium was a multipurpose stadium in which the football configuration had thousands of seats in which viewing was horrible. Even for the 72 hour blackout rule the Rams knew they would never get to 66,000 because of those horrible seats and had to reduce the limit for allowing the blackouts to be lifted. Go to LosAngelesRams.org and you will see there were years in Anaheim where they averaged over 60,000 fans for their home game attendance.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      So what happened to much larger response I just posted in which I answered your question as to why the Rams belong in LA?

    • SaintLouis Rams

      Keep The Rams In St. Louis! Support the Movement. https://www.facebook.com/KeepTheRamsInStLouis?ref=hl

      • Thomas Bird

        I think to have a movement you need more than 25 people. ha ha ha. St. Louis doesn’t even care. The Rams belong in Los Angeles. I’ll be sure to celebrate in your face when they announce the move….

    • Gerald Reynolds

      If you wish to cherry pick games from 1984, here is a few for you Randy.

      9/3 vs Dallas (65,403)

      9/30 vs NY Giants (53,417)

      10/28 vs 49ers (65,481)

      11/1 vs Bears (62,021)

      12/23, Playoff game vs the Giants (67,037)

      • Randy Karraker

        Way to cherry pick America’s Team (at the time), the Niners (who always traveled well to L.A., the Giants and the Bears, who had a tremendous amount of transplanted Giants and Bears fans in Los Angeles at the time. C’mon G.

        • Gerald Reynolds

          Did you live here? How do you know what the crowd make up was on those days? But you do know as I do that any contending teams who have a following tend to make the EJD their home away from home when they visit St Louis. BTW, do you remember 1998 the year before the miraculous 1999 season? Seems to me the Rams were getting 3 to 4,000 no shows a home game the 2nd half of the season, were they not? That was after about five strait years of losing, courtesey of Georgia and her mgmt team.

    • Ryan

      Actually, a large part of that would be the Raiders moving to town and winning a Super Bowl during their first season. If you’ll notice also, None of the Sun Belt games had a crowd of 50,000+, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Houston all drew under 40k, and their road game in Tampa also drew under 50k. Ironically, the Rams played on the road in St. Louis that season and St. Louis sold only 1,000 more tickets than the game you’re quoting.. lol

      • Gerald Reynolds

        Ryan, ssshhh! We don’t want to break into Randy’s world here and disrupt his dreaming. LOL :)

    • David Graham

      Randy,

      Thanks for responding to a LA article. Too bad you make no sense in your response. Cherry picking old attendance numbers and quotes. I wouldn’t expect anything more from the St. Louis media. Although, to be fair I’ve seen a lot less from the St. Louis media.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      Actually we have our share of Pro football writers out here Randy. Ones who could teach some lessons to the ones you have in St Louis. One of the best ever was Bob Oates who wrote for the LA Times. Steve Bisheff was another, Doug Krikorian. Sam Farmer is not bad either. The guy who writes for the LA Daily News, Bonsignore is pretty good too. Don’t forget the NFL Channel is based out here in LA. Gee, wouldn’t that be something if the NFL Channel had a studio at the new stadium Kroenke is going to build in Inglewood?! I believe even Marshall Faulk lives out here now.

    • Thomas Bird

      Hey Einstein NFL average attendance in 1984 was 59,000 a game. Today’s average attendance is nearly 70,000 a game. Why do you clowns continue to make these dishonest talking points? Attendance was never the issue in LA so you guys should seriously come up with some new material.
      There was no desire to have a Wal-Mart built on the Inglewood land because of city council resistance to big box stores like many other major US cities have. The city has long wanted a stadium on that site and the Inglewood mayor has already come out and said he’d look forward to working with the NFL. If opposition from Inglewood is what you’re pinning your prayers on I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were you. I’d worry more about the hopeless stadium situation in St Louis.

  • SaintLouis Rams

    St. Louis and the St. Louis Fans LOVE and SUPPORT the Rams right here. Even though these “So Called” Rams fans from Los Angeles have had a Facebook page for over 5 years now called “Bring Back The Los Angeles Rams” they are just now hit 27,000 likes I think. In response to their daily disrespectful post and comments on their page we created the “Keep The Rams In St. Louis” Facebook page. Not out of fear that the Rams are going to move BUT to show that us St. Louis fans want the Rams to stay and we support them here. Join us on Facebook and get ready for the “Keep The Rams In St. Louis Rally” coming to downtown St. Louis on April 5th at Keiner Plaza. More info about the event is on our page. https://www.facebook.com/KeepTheRamsInStLouis?ref=hl

    • Gerald Reynolds

      We’re closing in on 28,000 in likes on FB, what is your page doing?

      • SaintLouis Rams

        Well lets see @geraldreynolds:disqus the Bring Back The Los Angeles Rams page has been around for OVER 5 YEARS now and is ONLY at 28,000 Likes? Awesome! (NOT) And the Keep The Rams In St. Louis Facebook page has been up and running now since Nov 2014 and is at 7,400. hummm….

        • Gerald Reynolds

          Your too late, you’ll never catch up. LOL :)

          • SaintLouis Rams

            Catch up for what? A 5 year head start in getting likes on your page? smh How lame can you so called Rams fans from Los Angeles get?

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Just keep hitting that like button. Maybe you won’t get tired.

          • SaintLouis Rams

            Keep running your mouth and disrespecting St. Louis and the St. Louis fans over there at BBTLARs page it might make you all feel better.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            You know I personally do not normally get involved in flaming contests. So, I don’t know who your talking to here. But I will talk to a specific point and franklyI will speak up on behalf of the LA contingent in this matter. I am here responding to Randy’s blog.

          • SaintLouis Rams

            @geraldreynolds:disqus go ahead and lie if it makes you feel better. You are as much to blame for the disrespectful comments and post there that you partake in.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            Do I visit any of your pages? No! Do I care about any of your pages? No! I have no fear of the Rams staying in STL or coming to LA. I’ve been living with this for nearly 20 years of MY TEAM being stolen from me and taken 2000 miles away. You expect me to have sympathy for your cause? Where was the sympathy for the people in LA in 1995 from the people of St Louis?

          • SaintLouis Rams

            You must care or you wouldn’t be here trolling the St. Louis media. Beside NO ONE stole your team. L.A. didn’t own the Rams. Chip moved the team out of L.A. back in 1979. So the Rams have been gone for 35 years. Get over it!

          • Gerald Reynolds

            I care about the Rams and their return to LA but I do not stress over it like you do. Secondly, Chip was a kid when the Rams moved to Anaheim and he had nothing to do with it. The Rams have been gone from SoCal since 1995. And yes, they were stolen. They were moved for one reason. Madam Ram wanted a pay day. The league infact voted it down by a landslide until the Rams cut them in for a bigger piece of the pie. I was a Rams fan long before you even knew who they were. So, I’ll be right here cheering them on home to where they belong in LA.

          • Thomas Bird

            So I guess by your idiot logic the Cowboys don’t play in Dallas anymore right? Hilarious. Hate to break the news to you there princess but league worst attendance, revenue and no money for a new stadium pretty much spells relocation in this day and age. Looks like St. Loser hit the trifecta! ROFLMAO!!!! Say your goodbyes loser. The Rams are going back to LA where they belong.

          • David Graham

            None of the BBTLAR likes are fake. No pimping for likes like your page. Just long time LA Rams fans. Not out of fear? How’s the rally coming along? LMAO

    • Thomas Bird

      St. Louis loves and supports the Rams so much they reward them with near league worst numbers in attendance and revenue every year. christ even the dreadful Jaguars outdrew the Rams last year. Hilarious.

      • Danrarbc

        And yet the attendance in LA was still worse than this for at least the last decade in LA.

        The revenue issue is the main reason we’re having this debate at all. The reason for low revenue is the Dome, not the fans. Which is why it will be replaced. As for attendance.

        Average attendance:
        1999: 65116
        2000: 66005
        2001: 66104
        2002: 66062
        2003: 66057
        2004: 65923
        2005: 65460
        2006: 65326
        2007: 63044
        2008: 59980
        2009: 55238
        2010: 52923
        2011: 56394
        2012: 56703
        2013: 56957

        The Rams’ lifetime average in LA was 55,880. They have only been below that 4 years since the GSOT in St. Louis, and not by much except for 2010. 1990 was the last time the attendance in LA was even close to St. Louis, and you have to go back to ’76 to see numbers consistently above STL.

        Can we at least agree that attendance in STL isn’t an issue? It’s a question of revenue, and again it’s the primary reason the Dome isn’t long for this world as an NFL venue.

        • SaintLouis Rams
        • Gerald Reynolds

          We can agree that nobody in St Louis has the money to build a new stadium or keep the team in StL. Your still owing 200 million on the loan for the EJD. The economy in STL is hurting and your losing corporations and people.. There is far better upside for Kroenke and the Rams in LA just from a pure economics stand point. Also in regards to attendance, again you all ignore that the Rams in the Coliseum when there was only NFL team in LA averaged over 71000 fans for several years. You ignore that the Raiders were here from 1982 until 1995 and that hurt Rams attendance as the fan base was split.

        • Thomas Bird

          The fact you guys keep making these frighteningly misleading and DISHONEST arguments is why nobody takes you seriously. This should be obvious, but average NFL attendance in the 1980′s was less than 60,000 per game. Today that number is around 80,000 a game so comparing attendance figures between two eras is absurd unless you compare where each team ranked leaguewide in attendance. The problem is not necessarily the Dome as St. Louis ranked 31st in attendance this year and 29th in percentage of stadium capacity. Keep in mind many of those tickets were purchased by the team to avoid blackouts. This was apparent watching several games this year where fans of opposing teams literally took over the stadium and outnumbered Rams fans. Get real. Attendance at Rams games in St. Louis has been nothing short of PATHETIC while the Rams were never ranked worse then middle of the pack in attendance in LA. And those “lifetime Rams numbers in LA you cited are from ANAHEIM, not from when the team was playing in downtown LA and regularly drawing 90K for games. The fact you guys keep making dishonest claims and repeating long debunked nonsense about LA tells me you are more concerned about a Rams move then you let on. The Rams belong in Los Angeles. The Rams in St. Louis are an eyesore

          • Danrarbc

            You don’t have to compare to the 80s. Until the collapse of the team attendance was above league average until that number exceeded the Dome’s capacity.

            Today’s average isn’t 80,000 – it’s around 64,000.

            “The problem is not necessarily the Dome as St. Louis ranked 31st in attendance this year and 29th in percentage of stadium capacity.”

            Actually that sounds like a pretty direct relationship. Capacity is an issue. You kinda proved that.

            “Attendance at Rams games in St. Louis has been nothing short of PATHETIC”

            It has been, as the team was pathetic. It isn’t any longer and people are coming back – but now the average stadium is bigger than the Dome.

            You’re the one making dishonest claims with inflated current averages of 80k and 90k home games in LA being regular.

      • SaintLouis Rams

        Not having a winning season in 10 years hurts any fan support for any team. Besides were you at any Rams games last year? Let me guess the answer is no, so you have no voice in this matter.

        • Thomas Bird

          Hey stupid the Jaguars have been awful for years now yet they outdrew the Rams last year. The Rams have been competitive 3 out of the last 4 years yet attendance has actually dropped. Fake Rams “fans” in St. Louis don’t deserve a team and have done nothing but soil the history of this once great franchise. Bring Back the Los Angeles Rams where they belong!

        • David Graham

          I made a trip for the home opener against the Cardinals. Yeah, the LA Rams fans still love the Rams just not the location of their home games. I guess I have a voice in the matter!

  • Ryan Marshall

    Great read, Randy! Unlike Markazi, you were able to back up everything you said with facts.

  • James Knox

    Randy, this is one of your best blog works. You are spot on, and your passion in this piece conveys how all of us St. Louis Rams fans feel. The Rams belong in the Gateway to the West. I hope Kroenke has the good sense and business savvy to realize that. Kudos RK.

    • Thomas Bird

      You hope Stan Kroenke has the “good sense” to stay in the league’s 31st ranked revenue and attendance market with zero hope for a new stadium? Hilarious. Stan Kroenke has the good sense to get the Rams out of that depressing hellhole and send them back to Los Angeles where the team belongs. It will also make him one of the wealthiest and most powerful owners in professional sports.

  • Gerald Reynolds

    Despite your passionate blog here Randy, what you cannot change is that most people in St Louis do not care if the Rams leave or stay. If you disagree with that then read some of the comments from St Louis citizens in regards to stories about this issue. See the Jaco Report from this past week and see what one of your local sports directors has to say about that in regards to whether people in STL care if the Rams stay or leave.

    • ramsfan21

      Sam Farmer was on the Frank Cusumano show last week and he said people weren’t panting for the nfl’s return. As for the Jaco report i think the biggest problem is Kroenke won’t reassure the fans he want’s every little bit of leverage he can get. That may be how Stan works but that hurts him locally when it comes to connection with the team. People here badly want the rams to stay but are frustrated that Kroenke won’t say anything. I know that their are people here that won’t commit to Stan until he commits to St.Louis.

      • justbeingreal

        So what to media reports that must mean everyone feels that way. right? wow.

  • Gerald Reynolds

    Eric Dickerson ‏@EricDickerson Jan 30

    If the @STLouisRams return to Los Angeles, that would be something special. There needs to #NFL in LA and if the Rams came back, WOW!
    From Eric Dickerson on twitter.

  • Ryan

    I like how you say…

    “I wonder what makes anyone think the Rams “belong” is Los Angeles? The fact is, the Rams were born in Cleveland and spent their first eight seasons there. Like the Colts in Baltimore, the Browns in Cleveland (who became the Ravens), the Oilers in Houston (who became the Titans) or the Cardinals in St. Louis, the Rams are a franchise owned not by a city, but by an owner.”

    The Cardinals were born in Chicago in 1898 and spent 62 years there before moving to St. Louis..

    Selective Amnesia?

  • Worthy James

    Frankly I could refute this entire “article” paragraph by paragraph, but who really cares, the St Louis era is a wrap anyway. I will always be a Rams fan, but let’s not front, the LA Rams were a far more colorful, soulful team, which is a refection of a vibrant city and fanbase. But trying to explain that to a drab city and it’s bland fans is basically hopeless by nature. Fans like you will have no problem becoming Jags fans in 5 years from now. That type of treason isn’t in the LA Rams fans DNA though. See you in Inglewood!

    • Randy Karraker

      Way to come with facts.
      Except the part about the Jaguars being able to move before 2029. C’mon James, do some reading. I did love your game with showtime.

      • Worthy James

        No Randy, I don’t think the good folks of St Louis would have a problem sending 100,000,000 clams to the Florida Metropolis for the Jags. Be sure to give Shad a sweetheart deal while you’re at it. That always works out well (no out-clause this time buddy, keep John Shaw out of the room!). :-)

      • Thomas Bird

        Why would the Jaguars ever consider moving to St. Louis? The Rams drew worse than the Jags did last year and St. Louis is a worse market. St. Louis is probably the worst football market in the league and pretty much always has been.

  • Norman Hightower

    Randy, If the Rams stay in St. Louis or move to LA, either way I am okay with it. But PLEASE, PLEASE quit regurgitating a five-year old quote from Dickerson. I could post many articles to the contrary since then, where he says the opposite. I don’t want to debate what their location will be in the future and I wish you the best. But please don’t post out of date quotes.

  • Gerald Reynolds

    You ask the question why do the Rams belong in LA and I answered that and you deleted it. So here is small portion of that again Randy.

    The Rams belong in LA
    because they were the start of professional major league sports on the west
    coast. The Rams were the first inroads
    of the NFL to the west coast of the United States. Following the Rams who were the trailblazers
    were storied franchises like the Dodgers and the Giants. The Lakers and the
    Warriors in the NBA. Because this you
    have the 49ers and the Chargers and the Seahawks on the west coast today. The Rams started it all on the west
    coast.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      The Rams were well
      supported in LA with crowds over and above 100,000 fans in attendance for some
      games. Some years they averaged over 71,
      000 fans a home game. The largest walk
      up day crowd ever was the Rams vs the 49ers and it is still a record today. In 1974 the largest crowd the Minnesota
      Vikings, who had been in a couple Super Bowls at that time, had ever played in
      front of, was the 80,000 strong they
      played in front of, facing the Los Angeles Rams in the Coliseum.

      • Gerald Reynolds

        The Los Angeles Rams were
        the first team to develop a scouting department so they could scout college
        players for the draft. Other NFL teams
        would ask for help from the Rams scouting department.

        Perhaps the best
        commissioner of any professional sports league ever was Pete Rozelle who was
        the General Manager of the Los Angeles Rams when he became commissioner.

        • Gerald Reynolds

          The Rams in LA had years of
          winning football. Many division
          titles. An NFL title in 1951. A Super Bowl appearance in 1980 in a game
          that many at the time said was the best Super Bowl ever. The cover of Sports Illustrated following
          Super 14 said “This One Was Really Super!”.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            The Rams were to Los
            Angeles what the NY Giants are to the Big Apple. What the Steelers are to Pittsburgh. The Rams had stars who were in the film
            industry of which Hollywood is known for.
            Elroy Hirsch starred in unchained.
            Fred Dryer in “Hunter”
            Merlin Olsen in “Little House on the Prairie” and “Father
            Murphy”. Not to forget the movie Merlin
            and Roman Gabriel made with John Wayne called “The Undefeated”. Mike Henry, a linebacker for the Los Angeles
            Rams was “Tarzan” in the
            movies in the 1960s. And there are many more connections between the Los
            Angeles Rams and Hollywood. Lets not forget the movie “Heaven Can
            Wait” with Warren Beatty. A story
            about the Los Angeles Rams and a QB brought back to earth to lead them to the
            Super Bowl.

            The Rams were Los Angeles
            and Los Angeles was the Rams.

          • Scott

            …And LA USED to be a nice place to live. Something happened throughout the 70s, 80s 90s and in the 21st Century. LA is overcrowded and faces huge cultural challenges. When you compare what LA used to be to what is is it’s kind of sad. I sincerely hope that they can figure out solutions to their problems but the romantic ideal that LA used to be has been dead for quite some time. But hey at least it doesn’t get cold there… you have that going for you.

        • Randy Karraker

          Wonderful. Jim Hanifan brought aggressive pass blocking and Don Coryell brought a new passing game to the NFL in St. Louis, so the Cardinals shouldn’t have left. Paul Brown was the most innovative coach ever in Cleveland, so the Browns shouldn’t have left. You completely miss the point of the piece; that OWNERS decide where a team belongs. Not history, not nostalgia, not a few fans. OWNERS.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            You miss the point then. Because economics more than anything else is going to drive Kroenke in his decision as to where the Rams will be. While LA may not be in great shape economically speaking, it is better off than St Louis. There are more pros in favor of the move to LA than cons. But keep; drinking the cool aid Randy.

  • Gerald Reynolds

    Finally Randy, what you think and I think as to why the Rams belong anywhere is not going to be what decides where they are in the future. Economics is going to decide and where Mr. Kroenke can get the best return on his investment. Right now that favors LA.

    • Randy Karraker

      I agree with you on the economics. I wonder what’s better for a 66 year old man-spending $1 billion on a stadium (unless governments in SoCal have decided to fund one, haven’t seen that) and $1 billion on a relocation fee and having to pay the highest taxes in the country, or paying $250,000 a year in rent with a reliable fan base, and a governor/private sector that actually wants to help out. Stan would be at least 71-72 years old at the end of a Los Angeles expenditure, and he’d never recoup his expenses in his lifetime. We will see.

      • David Graham

        Randy, where do you get your numbers? Nothing has been set on relocation fees. If Kroenke is going to spend a $1 billion on a stadium, it makes much more sense for him to build it in LA. St. Louis can offer nothing but tax credits. They offered $124 million and wanted Kroenke to pay for more than half. They still owe on the Dome bonds for another 10 years. Again, if he’s going to spend his own money, might as well get a bigger return on his investment. 60 Acres of prime real estate has just been purchased. Not just any 60 acres but the same land that has long been determined as a great NFL stadium location. Oh and by the way, St. Louis Cardinals didn’t start in St. Louis. So much for your old information being acurate. Nice job Gerald pointing out the mistakes in his agenda. Old quotes from Dickerson, when there is much newer quotes. Attendance numbers that were on league average in the ’80′s with a competing team right up the street. Why don’t you dig up some Cardinal #’s from the same era or when they had one foot out the door in St. Louis?

      • Gerald Reynolds

        Randy,

        Stan and his wife together from what I have been told are worth close to 10 billion in personal wealth.
        Stan understands the tax situation in California I am sure. He owns a home out here in Malibu and as you know Walmart has many stores out here in LA.
        Stadium projects to 1.5 billion. If he sells naming rights to the new stadium at 700 to 900 million then he’s halfway or better than halfway home on paying for the stadium. The value of the Rams franchise goes up tremendously in Los Angeles.

        Stan also looks at the Dodgers and Lakers and Kings who all have franchises in the same territory where the Rams would be and they are all doing very well. Dodgers just sold out their season ticket packages for the 2014 season and they did over 3 million in attendance last season. See fans will come and see a team who they believe the owner is sincere about winning. Most fans here never believed the Rams under the ownership of Georgia Frontiere was sincere about winning. The Lakers for years have won titles here in LA and they have always had capacity crowds. So, for Stan he sees that the Rams can be supported in LA.

        Stan, I do not know for sure but at 66 he may want to grow his franchise for his son Josh. Stan also loves LA and NY and London so being in LA is very attractive for him. At 66 do you really think Stan is going to wait 3 to 4 years on a year to year lease hoping something can get done?

      • Gerald Reynolds

        One thing I want to add to this Randy is, Dan Reeves hand many minority partners when he owned the Rams. By minority I mean they all owned small percentages of the Rams and they effectively were like a corporate board for the Rams. There were some big time money men on that board. Point being there are some real players here in LA and Hollywood and Beverly Hills. Corporate Sponsor ship would not be an issue here and probably, especially from the movie industry, Bringing the Rams back to LA after 20 years will be such a big deal that it would probably be seen as good public relations to be a contributor to helping the Rams build a stadium. You have to remember that the 1 billion dollar relocation fee and be accomplished in different ways as well. It can be worked out And the land at Hollywood park has been coveted by the league for years.

  • Randy Karraker

    One other point-I do think LA will get two expansion teams that cost $2 billion each, as a result of what the Dodgers went for. And if STL could rid itself of Kroenke and get another owner/franchise, that would be the best solution for fans here that want to win.

  • David Graham

    Got to love the ignorance in St. Louis media. Arash did a much better job. Goodell has said “The NFL is closer than ever to returning to LA”. He also said the league isn’t expanding. The only people talking about expansion is St. Louis media, which obviously hasn’t been paying attention. Jerry Jones said it will be a relocated team that moves to LA and the league isn’t expanding. Before you throw the Jerry Jones is crazy talk….keep in mind he sits at the big boy table at the owners meetings. The NFL has said they will return to LA the right way. It’s been a black eye on the NFL. 2 expansion teams is not the right way. The Rams with a built in fan base is the perfect way. Oh guess what? Kroenke just bought land that has long been sought after for a NFL stadium in LA. Oh and his lease is up next year. Come on St. Louis you guys are better than that…You know it’s coming. LA Rams!

    • David Graham

      Let me add that if the NFL was going to expand, they would be actively seeking ownership groups for that. There are 2 logical choices ready and waiting in LA at the moment. AEG and Roski both have shovel ready stadiums and the money to joing the elite group of owners. Neither is going to keep their projects on the table forever. Why isn’t the league snatching up such a great option (according to St. Louis media)? Both of those projects are likely gone by the end of this year or next. It’s not an overnight process selecting expansion teams. The NFL would be all over this oportunity if that’s what they had in mind. Again, the league isn’t expanding. 32 teams is a perfect number. Keep up the non-research and ignorance to the what’s really going on.

      • Scott

        Both these projects were and continue to be flatly rejected by the NFL because they don’t meet the Leagues’ requirement in how they are financed. The comishioner actually let it slip that expansion was being considered then quickly backtracked as it was detrimental to teams with ongoing negotiations with their current situations. The NFL isn’t hurt financially by not being in the market and likely aren’t in any hurry to force it. Now if there were a team in financial trouble, the League would likely be for a relocation to LA but the Rams are far from being in financial trouble.

        • David Graham

          Scott, you’re confusing the facts. No doubt your sources are St. Louis media. Neither of those prospects have been rejected. Also, they are setup for relocation not expansion because the league isn’t expanding. Both want partial ownership of a relocated team and that’s what’s been reported as not in the NFL’s favor. Bob Costas asked Goodell if the league would expand to 33 teams. Goodell said the league would never expand by 1. If the league were to expand it would be by 2. St. Louis media ran with that saying the league was going to expand with 2 teams in LA. Goodell came right back and said that wasn’t correct. In fact Goodell and other owners have said the return to LA is closer than ever. Everybody quoted from the NFL has said expansion isn’t happening. I guess you can say the Rams aren’t in financial trouble. Although, the Rams are hovering at the bottom of the league in attendance and revenue for quite some time. Pretty sure that’s not where the target goal is going forward. Doubling their value just by moving to LA is one way to turn that around. I suggest you pickup a news paper other than the Stl. Today.

          • Scott

            Actually I didn’t pick the story up in the PD I found a link to the Yahoo Sports article I remembered reading last year, http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–sources–aeg-s-downtown-l-a–stadium-proposal-looks-like-a-no-go-for-the-nfl-000059874.html , There were several other non-PD reports I remember reading on both the Downtown and City of Industry projects but I don’t feel like bothering to dig up just now.

            I saw the Costas interview and we can just agree to disagree on it… regardless it’s safe to assume the NFL doesn’t want it’s plans for expansion as public knowledge and something in a planning stage can legitimately be referred to “as not happening”.

            What is your source for stating the Rams would double their value just by moving to LA? The only benefit I can see would be more potential buyers but that would hardly warrant doubling the valuation.

            While the Rams revenues are among the lowest so are their expenses thanks to a heck of a good deal on a lease on the Ed Jones Dome. One of the things most of the pro LA move people fail to consider are the additional cost that are associated with the LA market. Perhaps those could be justified with long term returns, perhaps not… let’s just say it’s not the slam dunk people alike to make it out to be.

            I have a different view on Stan Kronke’s motivations.I see his motivation for collecting and running spots teams as a reflection of his passion for the competition sport brings. None of these were purchased as outright business deals. I firmly believe that as long as Stan can be competitive in St Louis with out losing money then he will chose to remain there.

            You are certainly entitled to your opinion but simply stating that Kronke doubles his money by moving to LA isn’t an argument that I buy. If this were the case there would be a line of teams fighting each other to move there. Until the LA is willing to pony up money like every other city trying to retain their team, it simply is very unlikely that any team is going to pass up a subsidy to move to where there is none. Not in a League where the bulk of the money is shared.

          • David Graham

            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/15/anschutz-says-farmer-field-is-not-dead/

            http://www.sgvtribune.com/sports/20131019/industry-plans-to-start-grading-for-potential-nfl-stadium-site

            Those are a couple of links to the Stadium projects still alive.

            Here’s one on the value increase. I’ve seen it in a bunch of other articles. It’s really not a hard concept to grasp.

            http://www.ocregister.com/articles/teams-294664-angeles-semcken.html

            “While the size of the relocation fee could be an issue in a team moving to Southern California, sports business analysts and officials involved in both the City of Industry and downtown Los Angeles stadium projects point out that a franchise will dramatically increase its value to potentially as much as $1 billion with the move.”

            The team value is almost doubled. That in of itself is a huge start. We aren’t even talking about naming rights or corporate sponsors in LA compared to St. Louis. Luxury boxes and suites would command much more in LA, that’s revenue that doesn’t have to be shared with other teams. The money to be made just by moving and building it in LA is much more than some tax credits offered by St. Louis.

            We can agree to disagree. The NFL has said it isn’t expanding and Kroenke can make more money moving the Rams to LA…That’s not just my opinion…it’s been stated by just about anyone with knowledge on the subject.

          • David Graham

            Oh and I know you didn’t just mention the sweetheart lease value. You mean the one that the Rams have spent 2 years trying to get out of? The one that ends next year? Yeah, that’s such a money maker that the Rams are running away from it as fast as they can.

          • Scott

            Trying to get out of to gain leverage to negotiate another sweetheart deal that will set the Rams up well into the middle of this century. Yes that’s the one. None of the issue with the lease has anything ting to do with the short term prospects and probability of the team. It’s entirely about getting the franchise set up long term and I suspect Kronke would prefer to own the stadium instead of leasing. The entire issue with the lease is just a means to an end.

            Apparently it’s working because the COO of the Rams just said in an interview there is more community interest in getting something done than the last three years.

            Your source are business analysis associated with the two stadium projects and should be views as bias plus the article offers no explanation on how they arrived at the valuation possibly doubling. And you have the nerve to call BS on the PD.

            … Oh it’s been stated by “anyone with knowledge on the subject”, well I guess I need just abandon my logic and reason then. LOL well this is the Show Me State and so far people claiming a move to LA is happening have shown me nothing other than hope and speculation. What I do know as fact is the Rams moved to StL and that Stan Kronke was a major part of that. That the team has done nothing concrete to indicate a detachment to the community. Now perhaps Kronke is perpetuating the greatest rouge of all time by moving the team so he could buy it then move it back while investing money needlessly in the St Louis market, all the while knowing you’re about to pull up stakes.

            I feel for everybody in LA that had their team taken away. I think that sucks. I don’t even hold it against you that you obviously have this dream of the team coming back. I won’t even tell you it’s impossible. What I will tell you is if you don’t see the obstacles to this happening then you are quite likely setting yourself up for a BIG disappointment. The current situation in St Louis hasn’t even really started to develop and until it does there is no way for Kronke to even weigh the move to LA.

          • David Graham

            That quote said Sports Business Analysts…Like I said, just about anyone that has knowledge on the subject has said a NFL team will be worth up $1 billion if not more. The Rams are valued in the $700 million range by Forbes. I’m really surprised this is news to you.

            Here’s one on the Chargers value going up with a move to LA.

            http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/07/sports/la-sp-san-diego-chargers-20110908

            I’ve seen plenty on the Rams value increasing with a move to LA but I’m not going to dig for them, when the information is right in front of you.

            I do see the obstacles but over the past 2 years the Rams have overcome many of those. Almost, everything that has happened in the past couple of years has made it much more possible they move and less likely they stay in St. Louis. I’m a long time fan and I will remain one for life. I would just prefer my team that I grew up with would return to their rightful home. They should’ve never left as the Cardinals should still be in St. Louis. Trust me…My heart was already ripped out once when they left. I’m not going to be crushed if they remain in St. Louis but I think the chances of them returning are getting better every day.

          • Gerald Reynolds

            David, your talking to people who do not want to listen. That is what they keep repeating the same failed arguments.

  • Ronald Dean Tetrick-Rocky

    I see all the LA trolls still commenting from under the bridge . Envy can make a person go mad , looks like it’s working. So LA envy us , we are the St.Louis Rams. Troll away,envy all you want , the past is gone ,the Rams are ours now.

    • Gerald Reynolds

      Why would I envy you? I live by the pacific ocean and have great weather and have my choice of many ways to enjoy life. Your stuck in the snow by a river.

  • justbeingreal

    I work at the airport and the amount of Rams fans that fly in during the football season is huge. Former St. Louis residents that now live in different cities, to fans from all over. I seen plenty of fans fly in from Europe, Seattle, Brooklyn NY, NJ, Rams fans as far as Alaska. They all love the St. Louis Rams and want them to stay here. every time I see a local news station say St. Louis doesn’t care, it couldn’t be farther from the truth. People want them to stay here, but we also have jobs and have a life so we can’t take every news survey every time. St. Louis will be losing lots of money if Rams leave, the amount of passengers that fly in, Rams fans or not that’s money for the city. That’s my two cents carry on. ….

  • Jeff McDonald

    I’ve been a Rams fan since 1975 and I live in Tennessee. I’m glad they’re in St.Louis and that’s where they need to stay.

  • Andrew *

    Football is a business plan and simple. From a business standpoint it makes
    sense to move to LA. According to Forbes the Rams have the fourth lowest
    value in the NFL (about $875 million). A move to LA with the biggest TV market in the country would instantly put the Rams in the top 10 in value
    pushing their value over one billion. St Louis is among the lowest attended teams in the NFL. So it’s not that St Louis is giving the Rams great fan support. Follow the dollars.

  • NB

    Such a great article by Randy. I think one of the main reasons people in LA feel the Rams should be there is St. Louis being the best baseball city in America. Before anyone rolls their eyes, it’s 100% true. The way the Cardinals continue to draft, build and develop talent all while being cap conscious is very impressive.
    I don’t think it’s any secret that the Cardinals are everyone’s top priority in St. Louis. Having said that, the Rams don’t get the attention or support that they deserve. Obviously this is a small sample size of fans, but many people (when talking about the rams) say, why would I root for a bad team? Well because that’s your team, that’s who you are loyal too.
    Randy pointed out the Rams had great attendance when they were over .500, makes sense to support your team when they do well I get it. However, regardless of good or bad they are still your team. The Rams were 31st in the league this year for home attendance games. I also attended the blowout Thursday night game when the Rams hosted the 49′ers. The Rams were playing horribly and understandably so, the fans became agitated. I get that, however getting a stadium wide let’s go Cardinals chant had to feel lik a slap in the face. I know they were in the post season and people were excited, makes sense, but come on now, what a slap in the face.
    101 does a tremendous job covering the Rams. People are spoiled by how tremendous their coverage is. The Jeff Fisher Show is an amazing thing. It’s very rare that a coach will host a show the following Monday after having a game on Sunday.
    The Rams future looks incredibly bright. Who knows what will happen with Sam Bradford but the defense is very very good. Zac Stacy was a 6th round steal. They had a tremendous draft last year and are in position for another tremendous draft this year. They can trade down yet again and acquire even more picks in what may not be a star-studded draft but a deep draft.
    I really have no idea who would support the team more whether it be St. Louis or Los Angeles, however, if STL wants to keep the Rams, the fans need to step up. This is probably one of the only cities where the NFL isn’t the top priority. Nothing at all wrong with that, especially with the rich baseball history that is here. My point is I would like to see the Rams stay in STL in all honesty I think a lot of people could careless.
    This may be harsh but Rams fans are as fairweathered as it gets. Even as Randy said, they have great attendance when they are over .500. Support your team regardless if they are good or bad. Even if your team struggles, appreciate the bright future that Les Snead has built for this program. Not to mention you are in the best conference in football. Step up Rams fans, baseball isn’t year round.
    And before you say no one supports bad teams, here are a few teams in the top 15 in attendance that were attrocious this year.
    Giants 2nd, Redskins 4th, Jets 5th, Houston 10th. Now you may be saying well all of these are major cities, yes they are. Here is an example of an amazing die hard loyal fan base. People that are the epitome of what a true fan is. The Cleveland Browns were 11th in home attendance , that’a mid sized marked just like STL and their team is much worse. Again, step up Rams fans, the future is bright, even brighter than the California sun.

  • Brett Shepherd

    LA RAMS FOREVER

  • Ryan Bundy

    You LA guys just can’t help yourself can you? Like moths to a flame….

  • http://www.cnsqonline.com cesarnoel

    Bottomline LA Rams : 0-1 in the Superbowl , STL Rams: 1-1 in the SuperBowl. Nuff Said.

  • Thomas Bird

    Not another dumb article from St. Louis with all the same nonsense we’ve heard time and time again from them. Good grief will you clowns get some new material. First off and this should be obvious, the Rams played a mere 8 seasons in Cleveland while playing 49 in LA. To try and draw some sort of parallel between the two is absurd. The once proud Rams are an invisible, forgotten franchise playing in what has pretty much always been a terrible NFL market in terms of revenue and attendance. That may not matter to a small collection of teenagers who could care less about the history of this great game, but I can assure nobody outside of St. Louis shares this view. Secondly, quote mining for 5 year old comments from Eric Dickerson and calling them “recent” is not only ridiculous but dishonest. Dickerson has long since rescinded those remarks and is one of the most vocal supporters of a Rams return to LA. But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way. Lastly, the authors comments comparing fan support between the two cities are laughable. The Rams broke attendance records playing at the LA Coliseum and were never worse then leaguewide middle of the pack in attendance even when Georgia was actively shopping the team to the highest bidder. The Rams have been at or near dead last in league attendance and revenue every season now for nearly a decade. The only time St. Louis ever truly supported football even including the Cardinals years was the brief few seasons the Rams were Superbowl contenders. The Rams have been a competitive team 3 out of the last 4 years and attendance has actually dropped in St. Louis during that time. I don’t think fan support is a discussion you want to be having. You may be one of the few who think the Rams belong in St. Louis but the Rams don’t. Maybe thats why they forced the city to accept the easy-out clause in the lease that comes up every 10 years that demands the team play in a top-tier stadium. The Rams most certainly do belong in Los Angeles and things seem to be unfolding quite nicely for an easy return back.

    • Danrarbc

      “never worse then leaguewide middle of the pack in attendance even when Georgia was actively shopping the team to the highest bidder. The Rams in St. Louis have been at or near dead last in league attendance and revenue every season now for nearly a decade.”

      Until the stink set in the Rams were also at the league average in attendance in STL (and the Dome’s maximum capacity is already below the league’s average paid attendance up until the attendance plummeted after the record in 2007). Hard to be better than average when your building holds 66,000 and the average is 67,000. And again please stop with the revenue, the Dome is what is responsible for that.

      “The Rams have been a competitive team 3 out of the last 4 years and attendance has actually dropped in St. Louis during that time.”

      This is completely false.

      2010: 52923
      2011: 56394
      2012: 56703
      2013: 56957

      It has rising during this time, recovering to it’s best level since 2008.

  • Josh Capo

    Great article Randy and spot on! I grew up loving the packers… in 95, I FINALLY had a team to call my own here in STL!! I’m a St. Louis Rams Fan!!! The Rams will stay in STL

  • Clinton Uba

    Bring Back The Los Angeles Rams #LARAMS2015