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You Want Giancarlo Stanton? Now Batting for the Cardinals: Matt Holliday

If Giancarlo Stanton chooses to decline an opportunity to play for the St. Louis Cardinals, fine. That’s his right … his contractual right.

Not that Stanton needs any more power, but more power to him.

It’s his life. His career. His choice.

The Big! Bam! Boom! can veto any trade that his employer, the Miami Marlins, present to him. Stanton has full no-trade protection. He has the leverage, the final word. Should the Cardinals and Marlins agree on the terms of a trade, Stanton can block it, then blow it up. He can see a proposed Cards-Marlins deal and treat it like a fastball — and Stanton makes fastballs disappear.

If it comes to this — Stanton just saying no to St. Louis — don’t take it personally. Because of his contract protection, Stanton gets to choose. He doesn’t have to like St. Louis. He doesn’t have to like any baseball market, unless it’s his first choice, his native Los Angeles.

Unless the Cardinals and Marlins can make a deal, we won’t know how Stanton really feels about playing in St. Louis. Unless he comes out and directly addresses the issue we’re all just speculating or faking or gobbling up the daily candy bags filled with rumors.

Perhaps the Cardinals will have an opportunity to make a recruiting pitch to Stanton. That take was presented by Post-Dispatch and STLtoday.com baseball writer Derrick Goold.

If such a recruiting visit occurs — if it hasn’t already — then former Cardinal Matt Holliday is willing to assist the effort. If a delegation heads Stanton’s way, baseball president John Mozeliak can add Holliday to the lineup. That’s what Holliday said earlier this week in an interview with MLB Network Radio. Not that Stanton was listening, but Holliday had a message.

“Look you have all offseason to live in Miami or LA or wherever he wants to live,” Holliday said. “But for six months getting after it in St. Louis? As a baseball player there’s no better place. You get a chance to play for a winning franchise, in a city that loves baseball and would revere him for the next 10 years as the superstar to kind of build their team around.

“I think that maybe it’s a better opportunity than some people are thinking. As baseball players you don’t really have a lot of time during the season to do the nightlife and do all the things that people knock on St. Louis (about) as opposed to LA or Miami. But if you’re a ballplayer who loves to play ball, as I think Giancarlo is, there’s no better place to be.

“I think they’re going to be competitive, they’ve got a good farm system, they’ve got a good nucleus of young players. I think it’s a good situation … I just think man, it’s a really good place to play. And having played there seven years, I know we probably aren’t the exact same people but to be a ballplayer, to play ball in St. Louis … I think it’s a tremendous organization and city and fan base, and I think it’s a good fit. From a player’s standpoint I think they can take on his salary, for the most part. And probably give (the Marlins) more prospects than some of the other teams that are being mentioned.”

Holliday should serve as Mozeliak’s chief diplomat.

“Well, you know I would,” Holliday told MLB Network. “I would call him (Stanton) and tell him ‘Hey, look. If you want to play in a sweet baseball town for six months and then for the other six months live in LA and do all of those things, there’s six months for that. Every (offseason) you get plenty of time.’  ”

There’s a part of me that thinks this is ludicrous.

If Stanton can’t force the Marlins to trade him to his No. 1 destination — the big fella grew up in Sherman Oaks, which is 16 miles from Dodger Stadium — then why wouldn’t he want to play for the Cardinals?

OK, it ain’t SoCal, or sunny Florida. But what is Stanton’s priority? Stay with Miami and have at least three more seasons of enduring yet another Marlins’ rebuild? Playing in front of small home crowds and missing out on the playoffs again?

Stanton was promoted to the big leagues by Miami in 2010 and has played in 986 regular-season games for the Marlins. Eight seasons into his MLB career, Stanton has never played in a postseason game. Not one. The Marlins have had a losing record in all eight of Stanton’s season. Their best finish was 80-82 in 2010. They’ve finished at least 15.5 games out of first place in the NL East since 2010.

Stanton has started 951 games for Miami. The team has won 444 and lost 507 in Stanton’s 951 starts. Since 2010, the Marlins rank 28th in the 30-team MLB with a .453 winning percentage. When the Marlins’ new ballpark opened in 2012, the team drew 2.219 million at home. Other than that, the Marlins haven’t gone above 1.75 million in annual home attendance at the new yard.

The average home crowd over the last six seasons is 21,961. When Stanton rocked 59 homers this past season — the seventh-highest HR total in a National League season — the Marlins averaged 20,395 at home.

In 2017, the Cardinals drew 3.447 million to Busch Stadium … or more fans than the Marlins seated at their home park in the 2016 and 2017 seasons combined.

The Cardinals haven’t drawn less than 3 million at home in a season since 2003. And even then, the club reached 2.91 million. The Cardinals’ average attendance for home games since Busch Stadium opened in 2006 is around 43,000.

And what about winning?

The Cardinals would provide Stanton with a hella shot to play October baseball for the first time. Since the start of the 2000 season, no NL franchise has competed in more postseason games (125), or won more postseason games (65) than St. Louis. The Cardinals and Yankees are the only two big-league teams to play in 125 or more postseason games over the last 18 seasons; no other NL franchise has competed in more than 78 over that time.

Sure, the Cardinals had a downturn in 2016 and 2017. But as I’ve mentioned before, the Cardinals (A) still ranked 9th in the majors in winning percentage over the last two seasons and (B) entered the final week with a chance to make the playoffs in both years. The Cards are close to moving in on a playoff spot again, especially if they can get some help. Which is why they’re making a play for Stanton.

The Cardinals could give Stanton a chance to live through two special experiences he’s never gotten to enjoy with the Marlins: sellout crowds at home, and a red October spent chasing the 12th World Series championship in franchise history. And remember, no matter where he goes, Stanton can opt out of his contract after the 2020 season.

Stanton has $295 million (guaranteed) remaining on his contract.

Money isn’t a problem for him. He’s set for life financially.

I don’t know Stanton (at all), but I’d have to think that winning matters to him.

And I’d have to believe he’d be fired up by playing at Busch Stadium, the site of the MLB’s third-best regular-season home winning percentage (.590) since 2006.

Busch is where the Cardinals clinched the World Series title in 2006 and 2011, and wrapped up the NL pennant in 2013. In fact, since 2006 no major-league ballpark has been the scene for more postseason wins (25) by a home team.

I have no idea how this will turn out.

The rumors were buzzing an accelerated pace on Thursday, being spun quickly on the web by the usual sources.

The race for Stanton includes the San Francisco Giants, the Cardinals, the Boston Red Sox… maybe the sneaky New York Yankees … don’t count out the Dodgers… and of course, there are Mystery teams.

The Cardinals have the best chance.

No, the Giants are in the lead.

The Cardinals.

No, the Giants.

The Cardinals will finish second.

Sheesh.

Just meet us in St. Louis, Giancarlo Stanton.

Or at least meet with Matt Holliday.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

More: Have the Cardinals Mishandled Matt Carpenter? Sirius XM’s Casey Stern Thinks So

  • Big T

    It was great to hear Matt Holliday speak so loudly about the best baseball town,fans, and quality of organization the Cardinals are. He is truly a professional competitor. Even though we could not keep him he still spoke the truth about the Cards. That should speak even louder than most as he was hurt by not being able to end his career here.

    Hopefully he and Big Mac can both reach out along with Jimmy Edmonds. Truth is Stanton makes the final choice it won’t be a matter of not making a legit offer. If he comes we will win at least two series over the life of his contract. Guaranteed! We are built to go and if he chooses SF then he can stay home and watch us next October!

    • JeremyR

      Yeah, talk to people who don’t live in St. Louis because they’d rather live elsewhere.

    • Rod mcfain

      You’re point on. I certainly don’t have any insight into Stanton’s thinking, but you are dead on. People like Jeremy R and Warren recycle the same ridiculous argument that Cards don’t want to win. This is a class franchise with history of success to prove it.

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    • Christopher Toth

      Well said.

      But …

      … that said, I do think as people who care about our town and region, we need to realize part of keeping the Cardinals in the top tier of baseball’s elite clubs, means we also need to get off our duffs and realize players choose teams for a variety of reasons and lifestyle and vibrancy is a big component of that.

      Nashville has passed us by. And while we love our own city, it is important to step back and envision how someone else sees it if we are to correct course.

      E.g., think of Stanton taking a tour downtown. Busch is great. So too Ballpark Village. But what else besides the Arch, brewery, etc.? Well there’s were the new football stadium would have built. The new soccer stadium would have gone there. And you can take a trolley ride from the History Museum to Blueberry Hill whenever its gets additional funding.

      My point is not to bash St. Louis but rather am only saying we need to collectively work together to catch-up to other major markets that have left us in the dust. To do that, we have to stop living in our past – Olympics, World’s Fair, etc. – and build our future in the here and now.

      • Griner Automotive

        Sure the west coast has excitement and beaches and mountains and movie stars and great weather and millions of people to worship you… but come on… St. Louis has Ted Drewes and Imos! It’s a no-brainer!

        • Christopher Toth

          Unfortunately in this scenario, Imo’s can ship pizzas wherever you live in the continental US!

    • Brian Hudson Sr

      The days of guys coming to baseball heaven are over I fear. Its just how modern players are.

  • Lee Stoops

    One correction. Stanton can’t hit fastballs and prefers not to even swing at them. He makes his living off hanging offspeed pitches.

    • GMO Joe

      Man, pitchers in the NL must be slow learners.

  • LawrenceKScardsfan

    True words Bernie –

    If Stanton wants to join a team with the potential to win the World Series, it’s St. Louis (and the Dodgers or Yankees).

    If Stanton wants adoring fans that worship the ground he walks on it’s St. Louis (and the Dodgers or Yankees).

    If Stanton wants to be part of a baseball tradition that extends back to 1926 (and beyond) and began with a 7 game upset victory over the vaunted “Murderer’s Row” New York Yankees (that got it’s nickname in 1927) it’s St. Louis (and the Yankees – and the Dodgers to some extent, though they’ve been a disappointment in the WS on balance).

    If Stanton wants to play in front of a packed house every night, it’s St. Louis (and the Dodgers and Yankees).

    If Stanton wants to play in front of fans that quietly and respectfully watch his at bats in anxious anticipation (like they did with the mighty Pujols), it’s St. Louis.

    He would be the alloy that binds the franchise together. And conceivably, with him batting 2nd, the Cards could challenge for multiple World Series during his tenure.

    Thankfully neither the Dodgers or the Yankees appear willing to go after Stanton – at least that’s what the rumor mill says.

    True tale – I was visiting a friend in Jacksonville, FL, who insisted I go to a Suns game to see a sure bet star – “Mike” Stanton. I went down to the stadium with him. On his second at bat Stanton took one deep. The guy is a monster. He has met the projections. He is an MVP. And he comes with a hefty pay commitment.

    But DeWitt may finally be prepared to move the Cardinals forward after a couple of moribund years and disappointing losses in post-season play since 2011. Let’s hope Stanton can see the light. After all, if things don’t work out, he can move on in three years. That might be a blessing to him and to DeWitt.

  • Michael Warren

    Stanton is not coming her and the Cardinals will sign no one and act like they just missed out. Enjoy bobblehead nights.

    • ken

      stanton is not “coming her.” boy, that’s a relief.

      • Mark Lee Arbogast

        I guess you have never been the victim of autocorrect?

    • GMO Joe

      Man, I’m tired of hearing how the Cardinals never go out and get anyone. I see an organization and an owner who are trying
      and are disappointed they haven’t made the playoffs for 2 years. They’ve gone out and gotten players before. We went out to get Holliday, Berkman and Beltran. But mainly they built from within. The past couple of years, they believed they had the young players they believed would continue winning without risking big bucks on free agents. Maybe they overvalued their young players or did a poor job developing them. Some free agents didn’t perform as expected. One phenom was killed in a car wreck. BTW, free agents and trades are just as risky as as trying to develop players. Yeah, I would have loved to see Scherzer pitching for the Cards. I’m glad they didn’t land David Price. Glad we didn’t retain Heyward. Maybe they won’t get Stanton. Or worse, they could land him and an injury keeps him out most of the year. But man, you’d think we hadn’t won a World Series since 1908 from the griping going on.

  • JeremyR

    Can we stop with the “Since the 2000 season” stuff? That’s ancient history and involves having the best player in baseball (Pujols) on a cheap contract for most of it.

    Let’s talk about how the Cardinals have fared since he left. Basically they’ve gotten worse to the point where they are basically a .500 team.

    Stanton won’t cure that. He makes the Cardinals a rival to the Brewers, not the Cubs.

    If the Cardinals are serious about showing Stanton they are a winner, then how about fixing the areas that need addressing – the bullpen, another arm in the rotation. Then they can say, “We’re a contender now, but with you we will dominate!”

    Have DeWitt crack open his money bin. Sign Darvish. Sign Holland or trade for a closer. Then court Stanton.

    But he won’t. This whole thing is a farce. He won’t take on Stanton’s contract, much less anyone else elite.

    • Christopher Toth

      I’m not convinced the Cards are serious about Stanton either, but don’t discount the value of driving up another team’s cost to acquire a player.

      E.g., Cards lost out on Heyward, but still stuck the Cubs will a huge salary they can’t afford to eat given Rizzo and Bryant’s contracts down the road.

      In other words, you don’t always play the game to win, but to make sure someone else loses.

  • Miklasz writes nearly a story per day about Stanton, when that situation will not ultimately work out for us. Why don’t you just start writing about O.J.’s innocence, if you enjoy whipping a dead horse so much?

  • Christopher Toth

    Way too many mind games to know exactly what’s going on.

    If you take Morosi’s tweet literally, it sounds like the Giants in principle have a deal.

    That said, it is more likely that is just the Marlins leaking the $250MM price tag to put pressure on other teams including the Cardinals to up their ante.

    One big mistake I think many are making – I know I did too initially – is thinking of Stanton’s entire remaining contract. To be sure, that’s a possibility but from a cost/benefit standpoint, best to look at this from a 3 year window standpoint.

    So yes, while the Cards as an organization are built to sustain winning, other teams be it the Dodgers, Cubs or Astros simply are better built right now to win and will continue to be so during the next 3 years.

    Using that 3 year window, I can easily see how St. Louis’ legacy of winning and championships isn’t as enticing as we’d like it to be to a Stanton or other superstar caliber player.

  • Robert Richman

    Why not take it further and encourage further testimonials from McGwire, Edmonds, and Rolen; all trade deadline acquisitions and free agents to be, who fell in love with and decided to remain with StL, along with former free agent acquisition Chris Carpenter, another MLB great who loved playing for the Cardinals.

    • James Berry

      I love McGwire, but that might do more harm than good. Considering Stanton’s remarks about the home run record and that he(Stanton) still considers 61 to be the legitimate record.

      • Robert Richman

        Thanks for pointing that out, James; I hadn’t considered this point of contention, which would likely negate any encouragement from McGwire, who despite being one year removed from joining and further extending his contract with StL at the time, convinced recent addition Jim Edmonds to remain with the team instead of declaring free agency, after discovering for himself how wonderful it was to play there. That was then; this is now.

  • ken

    the stupid P-D headline for the little tease-piece written by hochman gives the impression that holliday DID speak directly with stanton about signing with the cards: “Matt Holliday makes strong St. Louis sales pitch to Stanton”

    how the hell does someone make a sales pitch to you if he hasn’t even SPOKEN with you???

  • Holliday is a class act, he always has been. And in truth, Holliday was never appreciated as much as he should’ve been while he was here. They always UNFAIRLY spent way too much time complaining about Holliday’s defensive drawbacks. It was clear from day one, Holliday would never be an All Star caliber defensive player. So why then would they consistently hold him up to those standards? And people forget, Holliday made one incredibly important outfield assist throw to the plate during the 2011 World Series championship.

    But Holliday knows as well as anyone, this org is no longer the same one he played for during the LaRussa yrs of his contract. Of course he’s right about St. Louis baseball fans always being the best. That’s the one aspect of this city that never changes. It’s the one consistent aspect DeWitt knows he can count on. While he predictably, annually, painstakingly, drags his feet in terms of investing enough payroll dollars to make us relevant again.

    • Mark Lee Arbogast

      I don’t recall any big miscues in left field while Matt was out there. Never saw him drop one. My big complain was that he was a bit of a streaky hitter at times. I was sad to see him go. It wasn’t going to be that expensive baseball wise to keep him.

      • Again, I’m a big Holliday fan. But he did make an important drop that cost us a playoff game in Dodger stadium one yr, during the 9th inning. It represented a big turning point in a series we eventually lost.

        On the other hand, it could’ve been argued that a defensive replacement probably should’ve/could’ve been used so late in the game. I can no longer remember, and I didn’t bother to research it. But, perhaps the bench was already short, and they had no choice but to leave him out there.

        • Realist50

          Yes, weirdly enough that was the one year that the Cardinals were in the playoffs with both Wainwright and Carpenter healthy and performing as ace-level starting pitchers. 5+ WAR seasons from each of them. 2.24 ERA / 2.78 FIP for Carpenter and 2.63 ERA / 3.11 FIP for Wainwright. Exactly the sort of top two dominant starters that a team would like to have for playoff baseball.

          And yet, baseball being baseball, the Cardinals got swept 3 games to none in basically their worst post-season showing of the past couple decades.

        • Realist50

          Looking at the box score, there were plenty of bench players left that game – https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200910080.shtml

          Easy to say with hindsight that there should have been a defensive replacement, but at that point in his career Holliday rated as an above average defensive left fielder.

          He also would have been due up 4th if the Dodgers had scored 1 run to tie the game to send it to the top of the 10th inning, so the second-guessing could easily have gone the other way if the Cardinals had pulled Holliday but still allowed a single run. It’s awfully tough to pull a team’s second-best hitter for a defensive replacement in that situation unless his defense is truly awful. Looking at expectations, and not just what we know did in fact happen, pulling Ludwick in RF for a defensive replacement was probably a preferred move before pulling Holliday.

          • If you insist on chiming in to our discussion, perhaps you should first read what was written.

            I’ll happily copy & paste for your convenience: The poster wrote, ” I don’t recall any big miscues in left field while Matt was out there”. I believe a ball that wasn’t caught during the 9th inning of an important playoff game, one where we ultimately blew the lead and were swept in the series, quite readily QUALIFIES as “big miscue”. Had that game been closed out, who knows, things may have finished differently. Or are you in disagreement with that too?

            Did you bother to look at the replay of the ball that Holliday failed to catch? It was hit right at him, it was far from a difficult play.

            And as you stated it was only a ONE run lead, which meant little margin for error. Also, 99.9% of everything we discuss here, refers to things that have already happened. Hence, to minimize or refer to that as “hindsight”, is pretty weak.

            Many managers quite often pull their weaker defensive players, in the late innings of a game. It’s one of the most common predictable moves you’ll see. A good analogy would be with Maddon and Schwarber in Chicago. Schwarber would not be left in the 9th inning of a game with only a one run lead, no matter where or when he was scheduled to hit. To get to the 9th inning with the lead is priority one. Then protecting that lead becomes even more important. You’re already in trouble, if you have to worry about where Holliday would be batting come the top of the 10th. Not to mention we never got there anyway, as the game was lost in the bottom of the 9th.

          • Realist50

            I am well aware of the very bad miscue by Holliday on that play and how bad it looked. I read absolutely everything that was written in the comments above. Yes, he made a bad play on that particular occasion. Just knowing that’s what happened provides us with essentially zero information about whether or not he should have been taken out before that play.

            I am saying that it’s very much hindsight to think that there was reason to assume, before the play, that Holliday wouldn’t make the catch on a play like that one. The appropriate way to analyze any past event is to say, “knowing what we could have known BEFORE the event, were the decisions that led up to the event good or bad?” In particular, managing baseball games is almost always a matter of moving percentages a few points in one direction or the other. Sometimes good decisions don’t work out and sometimes bad decisions do work out. Understanding all of these points is the only way to have a logical framework to analyze decisions by managers.

            We’re also not talking about the older, defensively diminished Matt Holliday of his last couple years in St. Louis. We’re talking about 2009, 29 year old Matt Holliday who, by both major defensive ratings systems (UZR and DRS), was at the time an above average defensive left fielder. Not a Gold Glove left fielder, but certainly not someone who should be compared to Kyle Schwarber, who is widely regarded as one of the worst defensive outfielders in the majors.

          • I’m going to say one more time, I loved Matt Holliday for what he did for the Cardinals. And one more thing, we didn’t pay Matt Holliday 18 mil per, for his defensive abilities.

            Further, I don’t care what you’re “defensive rating systems” said. I didn’t even bother to verify whether or not what you allege is accurate. I watched Matt Holliday play outfield for many yrs. You’re another one who puts all of your eggs in the silly ratings basket, instead of using your eyes and common sense. The ball should’ve been caught, period. The play occurred with 2 outs in the 9th inning for crissakes. It cost us the game, and instantaneously changed the direction of that series. That win would’ve tied up the series at that point. You sound like the same yahoos, who argue how the Denkinger gaffe didn’t cost us the World Series.

            I used to argue all the time, with the same slugs who often bragged of the W.A.R. number for Heyward I’m just wondering what Epstein thinks of Heyward’s war number now, after ponying up 180+ mil bucks? And thank goodness he saved the village idiot Mozeliak, from yet another damaging contractual blunder. Had Heyward said yes, we’d have zero millions to offer to Stanton–not that will happen anyway.

            In a one run game/the slimmest of margins, the smart play is to put your best defenders out there. Then hope that the closer does his job. It’s the same as punting with the lead, instead of going on 4thd own and risking bad field position. It’s the smart move. And to sit there and worry about where the fk Holliday would bat in the top of the 10th, already implies trouble. And again, he never got a chance to bat anyway, did he?

      • Robert Richman

        Game 2 NLDS vs. Dodgers in which the Cardinals appear poised to even the series, when Holliday… well you know the rest; LA goes up 2-0 and wins game 3 at StL. S’ok Matt… we love you.

  • James Berry

    The Marlins gave the Giants permission to speak with Stanton’s reps. While that may not mean a trade is imminent, it does mean that things have progressed on that front. We may see permission given to other teams, as well. But then, we might not. It’s unknown if Stanton will/did attend. The meeting is in LA, so it would be very simple for the Marlins to also allow the Dodgers that same courtesy.

    I just want the Stanton soap opera over. I want actual meaningful off season trades/signings.

    LLLLLLLLLLLLLETS GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!!!

  • geoff

    We have Matt Holliday still being a good teammate and a Cardinal for life. That is what the fan base fosters. I wonder what in the world ever made Mo think that Randall Grichuk would just be able to step right in and replace that man. Heck, I would be willing to bet that, if asked Albert Pujols would tell Stanton the same thing. It amazes me that no one has been able to simply ask Stanton whether or not he wants to come here. I get the sense that the Marlins are just using the Cardinals to gain better leverage in a trade to somewhere else. Hopefully Mo isn’t putting the Cardinals’ future on hold hoping for a player to be convinced to come to a much better situation than he is in. One sure argument is that the Cardinals know how to finish while his dream team , the Dodgers, are always the bridesmaid and never the bride.

    • James Berry

      I’d bet many have asked Stanton if he’d be willing to go to St. Louis. But why should he answer? As long as there is a chance he would, then that makes other teams step up their game to acquire him. I still don’t believe the Dodgers need him to contend or even win it all. Allowing the Dodgers to think he will, might put them into a more active role to get him.

      • geoff

        As it turns out Stanton and/or Stanton’s reps have now met with both Giants and Cardinals reps. There haven’t been a lot of details, but the meeting should have brought some clarity to both team as to how they might proceed. I hope Mo isn’t willing to ransom the entire off-season waiting on this one guy. Based on what we have seen over the past two years the Cards should do more than just sign Stanton.

        • James Berry

          I’d bet my last chocolate chip cookie that the Stanton saga will be decided by the end of the Winter meetings on the 14th. Maybe even sooner if no other teams get the courtesy of meeting with his reps.

          The fix will certainly take more than just 1 big bat. I’ve been a proponent of Abreu/Yelich as the bat gets and Colome for the end of games. It would certainly cost more in prospects to do all of that, but it also covers more holes.

        • Brian Hudson Sr

          I agree Stanton is just one BIG piece

    • Realist50

      “I wonder what in the world ever made Mo think that Randall Grichuk would just be able to step right in and replace that man.”

      I’m not seeing evidence that the front office thought that all. The team did, however, decline to exercise the team’s 2017 option for Holliday after two injury-plagued seasons where he showed steady decline at the plate because they recognized the reality that, at 37, he unfortunately isn’t the player that he once was. And, FWIW, he was basically replacement-level in 2017 for the Yankees, as he continued to decline at the plate and also didn’t stay healthy for the full season, even as a DH with very limited playing time in the field.

      Ownership and the front office, to their credit, also apparently communicated with Holliday well enough that he left without any hard feelings after the team declined to exercise its option for 2017. That’s first and foremost just the right thing to do on a personal level with a player who spent 7+ years with the team, and it apparently also has some ancillary benefits such as these sorts of statements from Holliday.

  • Mark Lee Arbogast

    My guess is that the only way he would submit to a trade to STL is if it meant his only other option was to stay in Miami. We will all know what his commitment to being a winner is when this is all said and done.

  • Rich Rauch

    Conspicuously missing from Matt Holliday’s many reasons to play for the Cardinals was any mention of the manager.

    Also, the offseason isn’t six months. It’s more like four (or, between the World Series and Spring Training, only three-and-a-half).

    • Realist50

      Fair enough, though there’s also including about a month and a half of spring training, which is in either Florida (including for the Cardinals) or Arizona.

      I see Holliday’s broader point, because with the MLB regular season schedule being 162 games in 187 days, with half of those games on the road, it doesn’t seem like players have much time during the regular season to be all that concerned about the city of their home team. It’s not as if Stanton lacks the money to buy as nice of a house or condo as he wants while also having a very nice off-season home in L.A. or Miami.

      Actually seems like in a lot of cases it would be a bigger deal for a player’s spouse / significant other and children, because in many ways they truly “live in the city” more than the player if they’re there during the regular season. For players with school-age children, it also seems like a bigger decision of wanting to live in the same city off-season because roughly 3 months of school overlap with the baseball regular season, so there’s more of a trade-off for being away from family if the off-season home is elsewhere.

  • Tim Flack

    He isnt worth it…Look at his stats.
    H e is no Albert

    Only over 500abs three times and never 600.
    Average only 125 games a year…Yadi does that on average behind the plate does more at nearly 130….

    22% of the time he doesnt play missing on average 37 games in 6 months..which means he is off a game very 4 to 5 games…

    Stl made a huge mistake in Fowler to finish 9 games back, in third, and out of it with 2 weeks left in the schedule…

    Trout is worth twice of Stanton and yet stl wants to pay a outsider of the organization named Stanton more than whát they offered a hall of famer name Albert by 23% more and get less output.

    Forget Stanton he doesnt want to win. With his contract and no players of substances to offer, the Giants will be crippled for 10yrs to get over .500 again. He knows the Giants wont win,,so his statements im in for winning are shallow. He just wants the West Coast.

    Dont be surprised if he is stuck in Marlin Land. He and the Marlin might have priced themselves out of the market. These owners arent happy what the owner did in giving him the keys to Miami..They all mấy collude to keep him there and make Miami suffer. All of baseball isnt happy with that contract…With all the cordial cutting in cable and wifii taking over…who will watch the Marlins? Viewership like football will take a big hit…thus the tv contract and advertirse will become a issue….ask the nfl
    If your going big,Trout should be the focus..We have 30 utility playes and that includes our starting lineup to offer.He is that good,,,ask a real expert instead of Moe,Curly,and owner Shemp…ask Albert as Tony did when seeking relieve help in the wrld championship drive against Texas.
    Thus isnt about getting Stanton, it about exposing Moe and his mistakes.

  • Mark Lee Arbogast

    It’s not that he don’t want to come here. He just wants to go home. The thought of being a Cardinal when I was a kid playing ball was a fantastic dream to me. I’m sure he feels the same about the Dodgers. I figure the only way he becomes a Cardinal is if it means coming here or staying in Miami and frankly I think he might opt to just stay there instead. In two years he can opt out and make his own deal with the Dodgers.