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California Dreaming? Stanton Should Talk to Ozzie, Big Mac and Jimmy Baseball

Once upon a time California dudes loved playing baseball for the Cardinals.

Oh, they weren’t necessarily thrilled to be traded from their Pacific Coast teams to the staid and dowdy and wholesome Midwest, but that soon changed. Once the stars arrived in St. Louis, they didn’t want to leave. They didn’t want to go home to California. That could wait for the offseason.

I wish Giancarlo Stanton would talk to Mark McGwire, Ozzie Smith or Jim Edmonds.

Three SoCal natives, who played for California-based teams until trades brought them to St. Louis.

Ozzie, Big Mac and Jimmy Baseball could sell Stanton, their fellow Californian, on the appeal of playing for the Cardinals. They could sell the big man … as long as he is willing to listen.

The Cardinals and Miami Marlins have the parameters of a deal in place, but it won’t be finalized unless Stanton waives his no-trade clause and agrees to join the Cardinals. The San Francisco Giants have also made an acceptable trade offer to Miami, but the rest is up to Stanton.

We know that Stanton has abundant power. He smashed 59 homers last season, was voted National League MVP, owns a .554 career slugging percentage and has homered at a rate of a bomb every 13.4 at-bats.

Stanton’s signature is the most powerful of all. He can change the course of at least two franchises by signing off on a trade. What will Giancarlo do? As I type this, no one seems to know.

The Cardinals used to be able to close these deals, but that came at a different time in Major League Baseball.

Smith, McGwire and Edmonds weren’t exactly elated and overwhelmed by excitement when the Cardinals acquired them in trades. But the three Pac Coast imports experienced full-house crowds, passionate support, and relatively calm media environment. They tapped into the energy that flows in a tremendous tremendous baseball town. They had the opportunity to play in the biggest games, and competing for championships. They added to the Cardinals’ successful legacy.

+++ Whitey Herzog traded shortstop Garry Templeton to San Diego for Smith in the winter of 1981. But Ozzie was a reluctant newcomer. He had concerns, questions, and contract requests. The Padres and Cardinals had a tentative trade in place, but the transaction wasn’t completed until two months later. Herzog personally became a tour guide, hosting Smith on a fact-finding visit to St. Louis. Herzog’s convincing gift of gab persuaded Ozzie to make the move.

+++ McGwire was traded here by Oakland at the deadline in 1997, with GM Walt Jocketty pulling it off at a relatively low cost. The trade almost blew up when Jocketty refused to part with his No. 1 pitching prospect, Manny Aybar. The A’s insisted. Jocketty wouldn’t budge. In the end, Oakland capitulated, settled for a lighter package of prospects, and the Cardinals kept Aybar. (Not that it made a difference; in three seasons with the Cardinals, 1997 through 1999, Aybar had a 12-15 record and 5.30 ERA.)

+++ Edmonds became a Cardinal when the Angels swung a deal with Jocketty in spring training 2000. The Cardinals gave up pitcher Kent Bottenfield and infielder Adam Kennedy.

McGwire and Edmonds were moved during the final year of their contracts; the A’s and Angels didn’t think they could afford the anticipated free-agent price to keep them in place. Jocketty took advantage of the situation and bought low.

But McGwire made it clear in advance: his plan was to finish out ’97 with the Cardinals, opt for free agency, and hopefully sign with a California deal. Edmonds came to the Cardinals with an open mind, but he looked forward to becoming a free agent to maximize his earnings. Smith had a no-trade clause and planned to invoke it until Herzog went on a charm offensive.

“Whitey told me that with me playing shortstop for the St. Louis Cardinals, we could win the pennant,” Smith said upon formally joining the Cards. “He made me feel wanted, which was a feeling I was quickly losing from the Padres. The mere fact that Whitey would come all the way out there to talk to us was more than enough to convince me that St. Louis was the place I wanted to be.”

Ozzie became one of the all-time greatest Cardinals in a Hall of Fame career that lasted through 1996. As a Cardinal he won the gold glove award at shortstop for 11 consecutive seasons and was selected to 14 NL All-Star teams. Smith was paramount in the success of “Whiteyball” with the Cardinals winning the 1982 World Series and three NL pennants over a six-season stretch.

McGwire’s free-agent quest ended before it began. About six weeks after being dealt to St. Louis, the hulking first baseman agreed on a three-year, $28.5 million contract to stay with the Cardinals. In the news conference after the signing, McGwire referred to St. Louis as “Baseball Heaven.”

”I tell you what, it makes me float every time I come to the ball park, to play in this stadium and play in front of these fans,” McGwire said during the news conference. ”I’m overwhelmed.”

McGwire set a new MLB record by slamming 70 homers in 1998. He followed with 65 home runs in ’99. By the time McGwire retired following the 2001 season — his career cut short by a knee injury — he’d homered 220 times and slugged .683 in 545 games as a Cardinal.

Edmonds was a quick convert to St. Louis. Months away from free agency, he sought out Jocketty to express a willingness to discuss a contract. On May 12 of 2000, Edmonds agreed to a six-year contract for $57 million.

“It’s been a pleasure to play here for the first month, and I’m looking forward to staying here for the rest of my career,” Edmonds said in explaining why he wanted to stay with the Cardinals. “I wasn’t trying to get a dollar for every person through the turnstile and a free house and a free plane and all that stuff. I just want to play baseball and have a place where I knew I could be for a while. I knew what I wanted and it made it pretty simple, pretty easy.”

In his eight years (2000-2007) for the Cardinals, Edmonds won five gold gloves for his sensational defense in center field, was tabbed for three NL All-Star teams, averaged 30 home runs per season, and slugged .555.  Edmonds played a major role in leading the Cardinals to NL pennants in 2004 and 2006 and the World Series championship in ’06.

From a career standpoint, they found what they were looking for … in St Louis … not California.

Between then Smith-Mac-Edmonds played for 12 division champions, five NL pennant winners and three World Series champeens while sporting the Birds on the Bat.

Smith was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown and all three players are members of the St. Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame. They had a great baseball life here.

Stanton would like to play for his hometown Los Angeles Dodgers.

I think he would like it here.

And I am sure that Ozzie, Big Mac and Edmonds would agree.

But this is a different generation of player.

If Stanton wants to stay in Miami, ride out an extreme roster rebuild and angle for a trade to LA in a couple of years, that’s  his right.

If he wants to play in California, cool. He has the leverage with the n- trade clause and can use it to his advantage to steer his career in the desired direction.

Stanton controls this process. He’s the boss. This isn’t 1961.

If winning isn’t as important as geography, that’s Stanton’s choice. He’s been in the majors for eight seasons, has played in 986 games for the Marlins, and has never had the chance to compete in a postseason game.

During Stanton’s time in Miami, the Marlins rank 28th overall in winning percentage, and are dead last in the NL in winning percentage. If Stanton puts a priority on weather and lifestyle over the chance to play postseason ball for the first time — that’s his call.

If playing in front of adoring crowds at a packed Busch Stadium  in a celebrated baseball town doesn’t appeal to Stanton above his other objectives, that’s up to him. In 2017, during Stanton’s 59-homer, MVP season, the Marlins ranked 28th among the 30 teams in home attendance. They averaged only 20,395 fans per game.

Stanton is allowed to set his own priorities.

We may question his judgment, but Stanton has the power and is doing nothing wrong by using it.

As a Cardinal, Stanton would be more popular than the Gateway Arch. But if Malibu Beach is beckoning …

Surf’s up.

Thanks for reading …

–Bernie

More: Miami Scribe Believes Stanton Has an Open Mind Regarding Cardinals

  • M W

    Come on Bernie. Stop with this kind of nonsense. You really think a call from Ozzie Smith will have any impact on Stanton?

    Stanton has played at the same spring training facility with the Cards for his entire career. I’m sure he has a good sense of the franchise.

    And this idea that if he goes to San Fran he doesn’t care about winning is idiodic.

    That franchise is never down for long. It’s not the Padres.

    The Cardinals aren’t exactly loaded and a sure thing. Their rotation is full of question marks.

    San Fran makes total sense if you take off the blinders.

    • Chris Moeller

      The Giants lost 98(!) games– and they’ll be at least a year with no prospects to speak of. Stanton could improve them by 10 games and they’d still finish 25 behind the Dodgers. The Cardinals haven’t lost 98 games, or more than 93, since 1913.

      • I’d love to make the bet with you, over who wins their next World Series first, the Cardinals or the Giants. When the Giants are bad, they actively work diligently to turn it around. While DeWitt’s only ambition, is to be just good enough to not stop the turnstiles from turning. Smarten up and try a dose of reality, if not common sense. And let me know how much you’d like to bet on that prop, I’m all in terms of a reasonable amount.

        • Chris Moeller

          When the Giants are bad, they don’t win a championship for 56 years and for the first half-century that they represent the city of San Francisco. When the Cardinals are bad, they lose 83 games. You’ve got a bet. If you win, I wear a Giants cap for a day. If I win, you reveal your name.

          • I’m quite sure DeWitt will keep the Cardinals “just” good enough to keep the turnstiles moving. But there’s a big difference in being only interested in making a good ‘show’, versus truly wanting to win another World Championship. And we no longer have LaRussa, a manager talented enough to often overcome club weaknesses. When we lost LaRussa we also lost an extremely strong lobbyist. LaRussa’s last yr was 2011, everyone remembers the numerous deals they made down the stretch. They don’t win that season, without those moves. That, while that club barely had any chance to make the playoffs, as they trailed the Braves by a bundle of games. Or have all you experts forgotten that year?

            Simply stated, LaRussa used to pound on the table to get them to do things to help his club. I also firmly believe that’s why the DeWitt’s were more than happy to accept TLR’S resignation. They knew with Matheny, he was just happy to be there, let alone make demands for help. And that’s the situation as it stands today.

            Or what about the 2006 championship team? If that club proved anything, it proved beyond a doubt, THAT YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON ANY SEASON EVER. Not when an 83 win team can get hot in the playoffs, and bring home a World Series. But based on what this org has done at recent trade deadlines, they absolutely threw in the towel.

            How do you experts defend the near nothing moves of this org, at the last 3 trade deadlines? Hell, they weren’t even willing to pay the premium price for Nicasio. They had to wait until he became playoff ineligible, before pulling the trigger on that deal. It’s truly laughable. Imagine if a miracle had occurred, and we got in as a Wild Card. It would’ve been a joke watching them reach into their bullpen bag of nothing, to close those playoff games.

            The message is clear even if yo’re too thick skulled to realize it. They aren’t willing to do very much of anything, in terms of improving a club at the deadline. They aren’t willing to much of anything in terms of spending money on free agents.

            Sure I’ve been reading what the talking heads have been fkn preaching since the season ended. According to them DeWitt is suddenly transformed, ready to break from character with his historical tendencies and prior record. DeWitt is now more than ready to throw multi-millions towards Stanton. I think it’s a bullshoot masquerade party. I’ll believe it when I see it. And I’ll be happy to apologize if and when I’m wrong. But I certainly won’t get any apologies from you DeWitt chumps, if proven right. You’ll be here moving on to some other ashole topic and charade. All the while still telling us how “great” this org. I love coming here. I find watching new and creative forms of stupidity, truly entertaining.

            And even if the miracle occurs, and we land Stanton. That still will never excuse how the desperate needs of the recent clubs, went ignored. And you all still continue to claim that do nothing strategy was the right one, even with the season ending results of the last 3 yrs right before you’re silly eyes. And yes, even the 100 win team of 2015, was in desperate need of trade deadline help. It only proved, they don’t care whether a club is a guaranteed playoff entrant, or an 83 win team struggling to qualify. A near equal amount of nothing, has been done for the last 3 clubs. Keep buying those tickets, you Fredbird pennant waiving naive dolts.

          • LawrenceKScardsfan

            The Giants have played in the World Series 20 times. The Cardinals only 18 times. The Giants have won 8 times. The Cardinals 11 times. Both teams have strong winning traditions.

        • Realist50

          I suggest reading this article about the outlook for the Giants – https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/this-week-could-change-the-giants-fortune/ .

          Summary version: they are getting old, have lots of money committed to aging players, have a poorly-ranked farm system and are bumping up against the luxury tax just with their current mediocre roster. They look likely to bounce back some from 2017’s disastrous season, but only to the level of a team that’s .500 or slightly below. Stanton alone doesn’t really improve this outlook all that much. They’d still look like a fringe contender, with some chance of another run in the next couple years but not a great one.

          • Right and the Royals stunk the yrs before they won the World Series, as did the Astros. Didn’t the Redsox go from being awful in ’16 to the playoffs in ’17?

            The Giants are willing to spend the money, your tightwad DeWitt refuses to. They beat us out of the wild card in 16 (along with nearly everything else we’ve come up against them in recently), because they simply made a few smart trade deadline moves. While the Cardinals sat there jerkinoffagain.

            They still have Posey & Bumgarner, & Cueto. Toss Stanton into that equation, and I’ll be happy to make that bet. Particularly as long as the lifetime loser Matheny continues in the dugout. When they dump Matheny and this idiot G.M., then I might reconsider making the wager.

          • Realist50

            To answer your first question: no, the Red Sox won 93 games in 2016 and made the playoffs.

            It’s silly to say that Lynn “has” earned every penny of the contract that he’ll get. His next contract may end up working out well compared to how he performs over the next several years, or it may end up working out badly. Generally speaking, the history of paying what it takes to sign 30-year old free agent starting pitchers to long-term contracts isn’t a happy one. The most likely thing to expect is that we’ve already seen the best seasons of Lance Lynn’s career.

            Could the Giants do better than expected this year and the next few years? Yes, it’s possible. Overall, though, they look like they’re on a course that’s pretty similar to what happened to the Phillies after 2011: a team gets old so players’ performance declines, it’s expensive because of long-term contracts signed during players’ prime years, and it isn’t replenishing from the farm system. One difference looks to be, if 2017 is a guide, that a lot of the Giants’ core players have entered substantial decline even a year or two younger than the Phillies’ core.

            And focusing on just the top players on the Giants ignores several positions at which they have what look to be basically replacement-level options. Even if they get Stanton, they would still have holes at 3B, CF, and LF. They would still have limited depth in case of injuries.

          • The RedSox lost 84 games in 2015, as they finished 5th. You knew that, because a genius like you knows all. But you conveniently ignored it.

            For someone who named himself “realist”, you seem to be 100% totally oblivious to things. That is how the trajectory of the Cardinal org, has been going in one definitive unmistakable direction for several consecutive yrs. But you believe come April, the sun will come out, and suddenly that will all change.

            And I love how you speak of the Giants “holes”, while conveniently ignoring holes/chinks in the Cardinal armor. The Cardinals haven’t had a decent middle of the order bat, in a number of yrs now. The Cardinals don’t have a position player of the caliber of Buster Posey. A genius like you knows that, but won’t admit it.

            And apparently the Giants winning 3 in 5 yrs, still isn’t impressive enough for you. That’s funny. Now you sit there bragging about the org, that has taken the last 50 yrs to win an equal number. And you actually believe Matheny, a dunce cap who has proven to be a lifetime loser, is the one who will lead you to the promised land.

            As if Muttheny compares to future Hall of Famer Bruce Bochy. Matheny, the same genius who squandered his millions made as a player, in a stupid failed business venture. Most players are smarter than that. They all try to do things after baseball, but few of them put at risk their family’s security.

            And now you imply Lynn won’t be worth the money. I suppose other Mozeliak signing’s such as Mike Leake, Brett Cecil, Jonathan Broxton, Jordan Walden, Jhonny Peralta, Brayan Pena, Ruben Tejada, & others were just screaming bargains. Or how about if Heyward would’ve said yes, to the near 200 mil Modumbiak offered to give him?

            I’m finished with your non-sense. I just hope some of your boneheaded ways are not contagious.

          • LawrenceKScardsfan

            Agree – Stanton will likely win sooner with St. Louis than SF. But he has a 3 year opt out….

        • cubs lost

          Hey scooter, can anyone get in on this? I’m not sure how to collect from a “milo”, but I know easy money when I see it. Now, are you a keyboard cowboy or are you going to put your money where your mouth is?

          • Right geniuses. The Giants won 3 World Championships in 5 yrs from 2010 to 2014. While your Cardinals have won that same number during the last 50 yrs.

            Okay, so the Cardinals enjoy the historical edge. But using teams that Musial, Hornsby, & Dizzy Dean played on to claim modern day superiority, is flat out ridiculous. It’s merely fodder for a trivia quiz. Short of that, it has zero to do with modern day.

          • cubs lost

            That was a nice run, but other than that little stretch, nothing in their history suggests them turning around a 98 loss team that is getting older by the day. It’s rebuild time which is exactly why GS is ready to get away from Miami. Not saying he won’t go to SF, but if he does go there, it won’t be to join a winning team. Now, about that bet…

          • You might be right. On the other hand, what the christ suggests this Cardinal bunch, this mgr, this Gm, & this owner will do anything in the upcoming yrs? Talk is cheap, and I know what I’ve witnessed for the last 2 yrs has been overall very disappointing.

            The fundamentals of a Matheny run team leave much to be desired. But instead of replacing Matheny, they believe the answer to this problem is replacing all of Matheny’s coaches. And I would suggest that’s would be analogous to changing the tires on a vehicle, while keeping the inept driver.

            Matheny as an in game managerial tactician will NEVER be confused for Herzog or LaRussa. Bernie Miklasz has spoke incessantly on this topic for yrs, virtually since the time Matheny took over in the dugout 6 seasons ago. Matheny’s managerial inadequacies are what they are. Yet ones like you refuse to look at the evidence.

            And my only point is, when you take into account the numerous roster blunders made by this Gm in recent yrs. Then include the current refusal of this owner, to carry anything higher than a mid-range 15th ranked payroll. What we have with Matheny is a manager, NOT talented enough to overcome those unmistakable obstacles. And yes I realize, we’ve spent the entire offseason to date, talking about how DeWitt’s miserly money grubbing ways are no more. Well let’s just say, all that is for now is NOTHING BUT TALK.

            When they finally secure and agree to pay someone in the category of a Stanton, I will be more than happy to commend them at that time. In the meantime, it;s just hot air being blown around. And that still IMO, does not excuse how the needs of this team, this mgr, this roster, this org, went ignored for the last couple of seasons.

          • Mark Lee Arbogast

            I agree. The giants and cards are both great historical teams with the edge going to the Cards.

          • Of course the historical edge goes to the Cardinals, they’re the best team in the history of the NL. As a Cardinal fan, I’ve always recognized that edge and been proud of that history. In MLB, only the Yankees are better.

            This discussion hinges on how San Fran has been a better org —–IN RECENT YEARS–as in the last decade for example. And for those who deny that, it would be the same if I ignored how the Cardinals haven’t been the better org over history. Those who would contend otherwise, have no credibility.

            Unfortunately, too many of the tampon wearers here get there panties in a bunch, when people speak in truths and realities. They can deny these things all they wish, it changes nothing.

            To say the Giant’s org has been FAR better over the last decade, is not analogous to burning & urinating on the American Flag, like so many here would like to imply.

        • Chris Moeller,
          I’m quite sure DeWitt will keep the Cardinals “just” good enough to
          keep the turnstiles moving. But there’s a big difference in being only
          interested in making a good ‘show’, versus truly wanting to win another
          World Championship. And we no longer have LaRussa, a manager talented
          enough to often overcome club weaknesses. When we lost LaRussa we also
          lost an extremely strong lobbyist. LaRussa’s last yr was 2011, everyone
          remembers the numerous deals they made down the stretch. They don’t win
          that season, without those moves. That, while that club barely had any
          chance to make the playoffs, as they trailed the Braves by a bundle of
          games. Or have all you experts forgotten that year?

          Simply stated, LaRussa used to pound on the table to get them to do things to
          help his club. I also firmly believe that’s why the DeWitt’s were more
          than happy to accept TLR’S resignation. They knew with Matheny, he was
          just happy to be there, let alone make demands for help. And that’s the
          situation as it stands today.

          Or what about the 2006 championship team? If that club proved anything, it proved beyond a
          doubt, THAT YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON ANY SEASON EVER. Not when an 83 win
          team can get hot in the playoffs, and bring home a World Series. But
          based on what this org has done at recent trade deadlines, they
          absolutely threw in the towel.

          How do you experts defend the near nothing moves of this org, at the last 3 trade deadlines? Hell, they
          weren’t even willing to pay the premium price for Nicasio. They had to
          wait until he became playoff ineligible, before pulling the trigger on
          that deal. It’s truly laughable. Imagine if a miracle had occurred, and
          we got in as a Wild Card. It would’ve been a joke watching them reach
          into their bullpen bag of nothing, to close those playoff games.

          The
          message is clear even if you’re too thick skulled to realize it. They
          aren’t willing to do very much of anything, in terms of improving a club
          at the deadline. They aren’t willing to much of anything in terms of
          spending money on free agents.

          Sure I’ve been reading what the
          talking heads have been fkn preaching since the season ended. According
          to them DeWitt is suddenly transformed, ready to break from character
          with his historical tendencies and prior record. DeWitt is now more
          than ready to throw multi-millions towards Stanton. I think it’s a
          bullshoot masquerade party. I’ll believe it when I see it. And I’ll be
          happy to apologize if and when I’m wrong. But I certainly won’t get
          any apologies from you DeWitt chumps, if proven right. You’ll be here
          moving on to some other ashole topic and charade. All the while still
          telling us how “great” this org. I love coming here. I find watching
          new and creative forms of stupidity, truly entertaining.

          And even
          if the miracle occurs, and we land Stanton. That still will never
          excuse, how the desperate needs of recent clubs were ignored. And you
          all still continue to claim that do nothing strategy was the right one,
          even with the season ending results of the last 3 yrs right before your
          eyes. And yes, even the 100 win team of 2015, was in desperate need of
          trade deadline help. That starting rotation was literally on fumes by
          the time they hit the NLDS vs the Cubs. That club played .500 ball for
          the last month. They continued to overuse Carlos Martinez, when they
          swore they would keep the innings of both Martinez & Wacha at a
          lower level. But when Waino went down with the achillies, they through
          caution to the wind. Martinez’ shoulder blew up, while Wacha looked so
          tired on the mound, it appeared a strong wind could blown him down. And
          of course Wacha got hammered in that Cubs series. Hell, they had to
          ask the oldest man on the staff Lackey, to pitch the elimination on
          short abbreviated rest, that’s how desperate they were. And that’s how
          badly they needed a trade deadline rotation upgrade.

          It only
          proved, they don’t care whether a club is a guaranteed playoff entrant
          like the 100 win club, or an 83 win team struggling to qualify. A near
          equal amount of nothing, has been done for the last 3 clubs. Keep
          buying those tickets, you Fredbird pennant waiving naive dolts.

          • Mark Lee Arbogast

            I’m pretty sure MO was quietly thrilled that TLR retired. They dumped his 7 million dollar salary for Mathenys and got a good obedient employee n return.

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  • Anti ruling class

    If Whitey, or Jocketty, or LaRussa were the ones dealing, then maybe. But none of those guys would likely be in a position today to be that hot on Stanton anyway.

    • chad strunk

      Yep that wasn’t even that long ago but things are different now. Baseball was fun when those guys ran things now it’s a snooze fest

      • Christopher Toth

        It certainly is a snooze fest every time I hear Mo speak. Better tham Ambien.

  • silencedogoodreturns

    All true. But SF won three World Championships in the recent past also. And they’ve got perhaps the most beautiful ball park in MLB, and also have full houses.

    • LawrenceKScardsfan

      Exactly. And it’s a great city with great restaurants and is spectacularly beautiful. I consider it one of the top 4 cities in the world (Hong Kong, Rome, and Paris being my other three choices). My hope though is he’s choosing because of great baseball tradition, great baseball potential, and the fact that St. Louis fans are adoring fans… perhaps more so than any other city.

      • Griner Automotive

        “But we have Imo’s and Ted Drewes!!!”

        • LawrenceKScardsfan

          You don’t have to sell me. You have to sell him. But I like St. Louis. Like the arch, the Mississippi, the blues bars and stadium, etc. It also has a great park, great museums etc. And fine restaurants if you know where to look…

  • Christopher Toth

    The smart move for Stanton from his perspective is one the Marlins unwittingly created with two huge assists from the Cards and Giants.

    He should reject a trade to both franchises and in doing so in one fell swoop eliminates from the marketplace the two most eager teams willing to pay a king’s ransom to land Stanton.

    By doing that, he necessarily lowers the price the Dodgers would have to pay to pry Stanton away from the Marlins by eliminating market demand.

    Yes, the Marlins could say screw it and keep Stanton but even if they did, the more we learn about the financial pressure the new ownership group is facing, it wouldn’t take much for the Marlins to backtrack from that stance.

    Never say never in terms of Stanton accepting a trade, but at some point you have to be smart enough to stop being Stanton’s patsy.

  • I have lived sixty-four years in the Midwest, and it has never been wholesome. Stop with the insipid and inaccurate journalist cliches. What, exactly, is wholesome about the Midwest? Great schools? Low crime? The people don’t cuss so much? Or what? Besides which, Ozzie, Mac, and Edmonds played for Whitey and LaRussa. Matheny isn’t in their league.

    • chad strunk

      I agree. I have lived in the Midwest 28 years. It is what it is. Taxes will be cheaper here but the people are the same kinda people you will find wherever you go. I think the Cardinals need to make this move and stop being CHEAP! To me the Cardinals have been really I’ll say it again CHEAP in probably the last 5 years. They are not poor they can afford to spend

      • ken

        but, it’s also not what it’s not.

      • LawrenceKScardsfan

        Florida doesn’t have an income tax. So taxes would be lower should he opt to stay with the Marlins.

        • Griner Automotive

          Yeah, but it’s still Florida.

          • LawrenceKScardsfan

            Yep – something about bikinis, beaches, sea yachts that doesn’t work for millionaires.

  • Maybe Mozeliak for X-mas can send Stanton a gift pack of his favorite decorative bow ties. That could be the deal breaker. Or some of them could throw in a #1 address in Brooklyn, Illinois for some boom boom time. Or have they tried the word “PLEASE”, yet?

  • Mike French

    There’s another factor that could be in play. The manager. Ozzie had Herzog. Big Mac and Edmonds had LaRussa. San Fran has Bochy. All of them are, or will be, Hall of Fame managers. The Cards have Matheny, who is one losing season from being fired. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to me to believe Bochy has a better chance to resurrect the Giants than Matheny has to lead his team to greatness.

    • ken

      it’s worth wondering how much impact it would have on cards’ management and their view of matheny if stanton chooses another team over the cards and makes it known that a major reason for that was a poor opinion of matheny.

      • Realist50

        If that’s a big factor in Stanton’s decision, I’m highly doubtful that he or his agents would communicate that view directly. Maybe the Cardinals would be able to get some idea of that reading between the lines, but I think any communication will end up just being Stanton talking about all of the reasons that he likes going to the Giants.

    • W Mahan

      Well, you were pretty close on your assessment…except for the part about “one losing season from being fired.” Matheny could lose 100 games in ’18 and DeWitt would probably give him a 3-year extension. If DeWitt and Mo haven’t already seen enough to know that Matheny should have been fired long ago, one more losing season won’t make them any smarter. Sadly.

    • Mark Lee Arbogast

      I don’t know Mike….is Stanton choosing geography over winning? If that’s the case he might not even know or care who the managers are. Just a thought…

  • rightthinker4

    Stanton only has to play in St. Louis for 3 years then he can opt out and work a deal with the Dodgers. Of course, that takes leverage away from Stanton. Just because he wants to play for the Dodgers, doesn’t mean the Dodgers would or could sign him in free agency. Does Stanton really want to play for the Giants, the arch enemy of his beloved Dodgers?

  • LawrenceKScardsfan

    The Giants and the Cardinals- both teams have strong winning traditions. If both teams offers are acceptable to the Marlins, the real question will be whether the Cardinals plan to sweeten Stanton’s personal pot to get him to really want to come to St. Louis.

  • Dan Schunks

    I can’t help but think that the one variable that could be holding up this entire process is the Cardinal manager. Confidence in the field commander, I would think, looms large in the decision making process and to be certain Mr. Matheny does not have the stature of his predecessors whose mere presence in the dugout gave players confidence they were always in the game. I know leadership, at any level, always has a direct bearing, one way or the other, in a decision to move and not having complete confidence in your prospective boss could be enough to keep you from making a change or in this case, the change that the fans want.

  • Mark Lee Arbogast

    I figure we will know what his priorities are after he makes his decision. if he chooses the Giants or stays in Miami over a trade to St Louis then geography is more important that winning is to him. I’m not sure I would want that player on my team if I was the owner.

  • BradW

    Stanton wants to go to the West coast, and the Marlins have an acceptable offer in-hand from a West coast team. It would seem like a big advantage in favor of SF. However, I recall what the Big Puma (Lance Berkman) said, “it’s always about the money.” If that’s the case, then maybe the tax implications will sway Stanton to prefer Missouri as a residence.